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sailingfun 02-08-2018 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2522821)
You are correct sir, and it will be a "must" have in the future. If the union refuses, the mediator will rule the pilots are not negotiating. Can of worms.
That’s not even close to how the process works. The company gave us lots of improvements in the last contract. You are saying the company has to make more improvements in those areas or the mediator will turn on them. Mediators and the negotiating teams work off terms sheets that are costed out to the dime. In the end cost is the driving force.

sailingfun 02-08-2018 03:21 AM
Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 2522973)
Right back atcha! You'd rank VB as the largest change to our working agreement in history? Really?

A voluntary system that pilots control?

Ok...you win.
I laughed at that also. One of the more bizarre statements ever on here.

Hank Kingsley 02-08-2018 05:24 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2522981)
That’s not even close to how the process works. The company gave us lots of improvements in the last contract. You are saying the company has to make more improvements in those areas or the mediator will turn on them. Mediators and the negotiating teams work off terms sheets that are costed out to the dime. In the end cost is the driving force.
Would the company like international VB? How are they going to get one ?

TED74 02-08-2018 06:17 AM
Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2522907)
The ONLY benefit is for a small number who will be temporarily home based in the busy months at the expense of all the rest of the pilots.
First off, I think virtual bases are a bad idea. I am domicile based at the moment, so I have that bias. But is it not true that even folks who aren't home based in the virtual base would see the benefits of positive space commuting on the front and back? I am not advocating for it, but I want to understand all of the benefits and detractors.

JamesBond 02-08-2018 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2522907)
As a commuter... No to VBs. No no no...

There is no win-win. The company's win is less pilots(bad for us) and less credit(bad for us). The ONLY benefit is for a small number who will be temporarily home based in the busy months at the expense of all the rest of the pilots.
I could make the argument that greenslips only benefit those that live in base. The something like 80% of NY based pilots have little shot at greenslips because they don't live there.

LumberJack 02-08-2018 06:46 AM
The only way they would open a VB is if it saves money and pilots. VB's have been around forever and never has a pilot group spent negotiating capital to implement it. It is a concession overall, plain and simple.

LumberJack 02-08-2018 06:51 AM
Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2523092)
I could make the argument that greenslips only benefit those that live in base. The something like 80% of NY based pilots have little shot at greenslips because they don't live there.
Again, benefit the few at the expense of the many. In your GS scenario, the system wide # of GS's would go down because of increased efficiency. Saving the company money and pilots.

JamesBond 02-08-2018 06:58 AM
Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2523113)
Again, benefit the few at the expense of the many. In your GS scenario, the system wide # of GS's would go down because of increased efficiency. Saving the company money and pilots.
In both cases, I am on the fence. I think the jobs issue is way overblown though. jmho

Denny Crane 02-08-2018 06:59 AM
Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2523092)
I could make the argument that greenslips only benefit those that live in base. The something like 80% of NY based pilots have little shot at greenslips because they don't live there.
And I would disagree with that. Its been my experience that most green slips are awarded during the morning of the the day prior. Yes there are exceptions to that for popup trips but to make a blanket statement that 80% cannot get a GS because they commute is wrong.

Denny

Denny Crane 02-08-2018 07:03 AM
Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2523119)
In both cases, I am on the fence. I think the jobs issue is way overblown though. jmho
I tend to agree with you here. IMO the bigger problem is Temporary Duty. THIS will do more to cut down on green slips and manning than anything I can think of........ It's like allowing a VB in an existing base......something the Union has not allowed in the VB LOA.

Denny


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