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Old 02-16-2018, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
It’s funny that many pilots at UPS and Fedex don’t understand why they don’t fly passengers!
Remember when UPS tried their passenger "experiment" by converting their 727s from cargo to pax config over weekends?
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UPS and fedex have a bit more ground infrastructure to support their flight operations (which exist solely to feed that ground network). The financial struggles of independent, dedicated air cargo carriers might be a more appropriate benchmark.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:29 AM
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Who but a crazyman would begin an air cargo operation with a fleet of falcon jets?

Fred isnt crazy. And he isnt in the cargo business. And the infrastructure development is to support the primary business model...and the product his customers are buying.

If you are curious about our economic climb imho its in large part a recognition our business model is not, and should not be 'selling seats' on an airliner.
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I agree with f.o.l. The optimum structure puts the pax floor as close to the mid-point of the tube for both strength and seating capacity. Lowering the floor in the tube does nothing but shrink the 'floor-space' and put stress on the tube. Doesn't make sense. (...but there I go, thinking logically again. NOT ALLOWED!)
Not following you on the strength issue.
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Not following you on the strength issue.
He might be referring to the fuselages's ability to withstand stress and fatigue during pressurization cycles. Those cycles are often the limiting factor in airliner airframes.
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He might be referring to the fuselages's ability to withstand stress and fatigue during pressurization cycles. Those cycles are often the limiting factor in airliner airframes.
I get that, but floor location shouldn't really have much impact on that.
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Originally Posted by FL370esq View Post
Remember when UPS tried their passenger "experiment" by converting their 727s from cargo to pax config over weekends?
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I actually rode on one from AUA to MCO not a bad ride!
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EFIS and a HUD on a 727


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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
boeing is planning a clean sheet aircraft that likely is a twin aisle. Airbus is proposing a bastardized version of the a321 as a potential response. As pointed out in the article the ability to carry cargo is critical for these markets and the airbus offering would not have much if any capability for cargo.
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