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Old 03-04-2018 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TexanDriver
Heard as we start getting the ETOPS 321s we can start seeing LAX-HNL etc. so I'm sure a 320 LAX base is on the horizon.
American is flying their 321's with full loads (185ish seats) from HNL
without too much trouble apparently. Though they have a higher MTOW version.
They do have payload issues when departing from other Hawaiian airports with shorter runways.
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Old 03-04-2018 | 07:30 PM
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Hawaiian is also taking delivery of 321NEOs to fly the thinner US routes.
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Old 03-04-2018 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
Are we paying for the terminal improvements there or is L.A? It seems we just spent money to fix up terminal 5 and 6. Then we move to the north side and give our nice updated terminals to Virgin, Spirit, and Allegiant. Now we are living in their old suck hole and have to keep spending to make it nice now. I hope the money for improvements isn’t coming out of our pockets.
We are, and we did. Since we invested hundreds of millions in T5, LAWA and the other airlines were willing to permit the huge terminal swap. That way LAWA also got us to redo their most decrepit, T3. We are also going to connect T2-T3-Tom Bradley. Better move long run for Delta, even if it costs a ton today.
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Old 03-05-2018 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
We are, and we did. Since we invested hundreds of millions in T5, LAWA and the other airlines were willing to permit the huge terminal swap. That way LAWA also got us to redo their most decrepit, T3. We are also going to connect T2-T3-Tom Bradley. Better move long run for Delta, even if it costs a ton today.

Its a bit more complicated than that. From what I have heard via the CPO when this first came up DAL will receive "credit" for all the improvements we paid for at T-5. Not sure exactly how, but there is some sort of cost spreading mechanism in work here.

The good news is that this is California so whatever "mechanism" they have come up with you can be sure that it will work and be 100% efficient.

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Old 03-05-2018 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
The good news is that this is California so whatever "mechanism" they have come up with you can be sure that it will work and be 100% efficient.
Obviously California has stolen the NY-NJ Port Authority playbook.

"You might find better but you won't find more expensive." 😁
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Old 03-05-2018 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cynicalaviator
American is flying their 321's with full loads (185ish seats) from HNL
without too much trouble apparently. Though they have a higher MTOW version.
They do have payload issues when departing from other Hawaiian airports with shorter runways.
So they are not 321neos then right? Do they have a different engine than the Delta 321s?
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Old 03-05-2018 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dodgerk
So they are not 321neos then right? Do they have a different engine than the Delta 321s?
They are CEO's. However they are equipped with the IAE V2500 version.
I believe it's a bit more powerful than our CFM 56. But I don't think there is a significant performance difference.
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Old 03-05-2018 | 01:17 PM
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The key takeaway in LAX is that even though T2 and T3 suck we are the only large carrier that now has the means for a significant expansion down the road.
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Old 03-05-2018 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ship741
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Its interesting to see Delta stumble into these markets (I'm thinking of BOS also) after abandoning and ignoring them for so long. Delta was the largest carrier at LAX in 1988-89. It seems like SEA has taken a back seat since RA left.
Might be waiting for the customs facility is finished before more international flights are added and there is some gate swapping going on as well. Not sure what he net gain of gates will be though.
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Old 03-05-2018 | 05:10 PM
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They've said elsewhere (sorry, don't remember off the top of my head) that SEA is basically at max capacity without more gates (they've been being added... slowly) and the international arrivals facility being complete. After the IAF is built, I would expect SEA will grow further. SEA, strategically, is closer to Asia than LAX is. An hour and a half closer to NRT, ICN.... that is a competitive advantage vs AA and UA flying it from LAX/SFO, and with the huge Amazon expansion and growth in SEA, it makes sense to compete in SEA in a big way.
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