Dragon7

Lots of similiar wish lists at United. Watch and see.

And get the “me too” clause.

Thanks to Delta Pilots for our extra raise.

DALFA

I just call it like it is. No need to get your feelings hurt. I think that most DAL pilots on this board would probably agree with my assessment of the DAL F/A group. If you’ve had a career of not being educated on what scope is then how are you supposed to know what it is? How many guys that come out of pilot mills into the regionals know what scope is? Very few. You don’t learn about scope and value scope usually until you hit one of the majors and you have conversations with your peers about it or your union talks about it.

It’s a fact that too many Delta F/As are more worried about where to go shopping on their next Paris layover than worrying about things such as Scope.

While F/As have had less negotiating power than Pilots due to obvious reasons the environment today wouldn’t lead to any significant scope language being negotiated by any pilot group. What Delta, United etc have is from previous contracts when work groups actually had some leverage due to potential strikes etc. Today everyone knows that the NMB will never release any group of employees from the big 3, Southwest, JetBlue, or Alaska. So with the threat of a strike gone management has gained much of the leverage employees once had.

Every worker has lost leverage, some more than others.

Finally, having a contract isn’t just about Scope. Having a contract spells out things like a fair disciplinary process and prevents one sided changes. So it’s not like “we’ll the pilots scope protects you so don’t worry about it”. There’s still many things that apply only to the group covered by such contract.

LCAhotline

“How many pilots come out of the pilot mills and know what scope is?”

Well many universities cover this topic in their flight programs. Along with deregulation and several other topics. At my regional, BEFORE I went to it at the ripe ol age of 22 I knew what scope was. I then flew there for a decade of my life before coming to Delta. The guys and gals “out of the mills” are not as stupid and naive as you try to make them sound.

When I was flying a regional jet, like most regional pilots our goal was to get the name on the paycheck to match the paint on the airplane. It is not enjoyable flying as a contract employee. I would have loved if one of the major airlines bought my airline and merged us. Didn’t happen though.

You are probably the most engaged FA that I have ever come across on a message board. I also find it funny that a FA would create a thread about our upcoming contract, then stir the pot as people respond.

MOST (99%+) pilots are aware of scope. It was not until researching Delta that I discovered scope as it applies to JV partners. Our JV relationships are unlike any other carriers in this country. Yes we need to protect it. Yes people are aware of it. Yes it is a priority in this contract. From 787’s to CRJ 200’s. Along with QOL improvements.

Pay is not everything. Scope protections, time off, and productivity are things that I believe have been talked about over and over in these threads. As far as being released by the NMB that is not going to happen. What will happen is shareholders will not want to see labor disputes, the company wants us to continue to “go the extra mile.” Those are things we have in our favor.

Milk Man

I dislike the idea of being stuck in JS when offline pilot gets seat in the back since we cant list for both like United.

DALFA

Care to point out where I stirred the pot? Any post i've made after the OP was in response to someone else.

Yes, i'm engaged because what the pilot group at Delta does has a significant impact on my paycheck as well even though i'd rather not depend on another work group and be able to negotiate my (our) own improvements to compensation, benefits, and quality of life.

cynicalaviator

Glad to see I'm not the only one feeling like this regarding crew meals. I used to operate for an overseas carrier and we were served hot meals on 30 minute legs. Not to say that we should go that far but another 2 meals loaded on the plane won't hurt profitability that much.
A uniform allowance should be a must as well. As mentioned before, many other/smaller airlines do this. Not to mention all the other legacies such as United, AF, Lufthansa etc.... Heck, my previous carrier even provided me with shoes.
I realize that there are more important issues such as scope, CQ pay, Health care, etc.. but I'd be glad to see those improvements as well in the next contract.

Viking busdvr

As long as Haggar continues making the “cool 18” expandable waistline paints, I’m ok with the $25 bucks a year a shell out for uniform items!
They’ll be even better if we get crew meals!

Falcon20

1) Scope top and bottom ends. I don’t want to do 5 legs a day to the villes and bergs of the south but I don’t want it sub contracted out any more than the international flying.

2) Insurance benefits. Dental and Vision improvements help everyone as even in their current form are better than military retiree plans. The medical sucks and if you opt out because of tricare or spouse you should get a kickback for savings the company realized.

3) Retirement improvements. Increase the DC so every one can hit the 415 cap. Then look to see if the excesses can go into another tax deferral vehicle.

4) eliminate sick verification. I told my buddy who is an engineer and he said that “I’m a grown damn man and shouldn’t need a note.” There are many ways to skin this cat but what we currently have is fecal material.

5) No automatic duty extension. One word “unsafe”. This is against the intent of 117.

6) Every work day pays 5:15 or block whichever is more. This includes CQ and vacay.

Plus some of the other items already mentioned.

Turbo1

It's absolutely hopeless with this group. BOHICA. you will get what Alpa and the company decide to give u

RamenNoodles

Thanks for that insightful post. Does your cat pee in your cereal every morning or do you choose to be a Negative Nancy?