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Old 12-14-2020, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps View Post
Y'all are talking about a market that has tripled in a short period of time, I'm not sure I would count on that kind of performance in the future, especially with the coming economy.(Diminished tax base, job loss,etc.)
please note my above post. Iíve been tracking my performance since 2008 and I have returned north of 20% on an annualized basis. 2020 has definitely accounted for a decent amount of that, perhaps 2-3%.

As for options in 2020, long calls have been the star, but as I said above those are the riskiest ones. For selling premium, which is the longevity play, 2020 hasnít been great as volatility has been surprisingly low.
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Old 12-14-2020, 11:18 AM
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For domestic stocks I just use a stock screener thru Finbox and check that at least weekly. Slim pickings these days compared to March. I also follow other Net Net investors on Twitter to identify under the radar/beyond screens ideas.

For international Net Nets I'm focused on Japan and use kenkyoinvesting.com's free screener to identify and KaijiNet/JapanExpress evaluate the Balance sheet and cashflow statements.

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will explore. I assume these companies have no options or if they do, theyíre illiquid?
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Old 12-14-2020, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps View Post
Y'all are talking about a market that has tripled in a short period of time, I'm not sure I would count on that kind of performance in the future, especially with the coming economy.(Diminished tax base, job loss,etc.)
Which market? Oh you mean the US market. You know there is a whole lot more to the Global equities market than just the US right?

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Old 12-14-2020, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
Which market? Oh you mean the US market. You know there is a whole lot more to the Global equities market than just the US right?

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We'll see, after the P-demic. I believe that is global.
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will explore. I assume these companies have no options or if they do, theyíre illiquid?
Exactly. Almost entirely microcaps, nanocaps, illiquid and dark companies.

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Originally Posted by mispoken View Post
please note my above post. Iíve been tracking my performance since 2008 and I have returned north of 20% on an annualized basis. 2020 has definitely accounted for a decent amount of that, perhaps 2-3%.

As for options in 2020, long calls have been the star, but as I said above those are the riskiest ones. For selling premium, which is the longevity play, 2020 hasnít been great as volatility has been surprisingly low.

The S&P has returned north of 20% per year since 2008...
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I'm not as optimistic as you guys, I still have my ration card from WW2. (My parents stole all my meat coupons, all I had left was veggie tickets.)
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy View Post
The S&P has returned north of 20% per year since 2008...
20% compounded annually? Don't have the numbers in front of me but I don't think so

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The S&P has returned north of 20% per year since 2008...
this is not a correct statement. Start here and play with the numbers. https://dqydj.com/sp-500-return-calculator/

12.5% since November 2008
14.75% if you reinvested dividends

dont use my link as your sole source; dig in elsewhere and find if your research jives with this. I always run my annualized returns against VFINX which matches very closely to the above link.
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
20% compounded annually? Don't have the numbers in front of me but I don't think so

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Correct, I wasnít compounding annually. I didnít know if either of you were in your calculations.

Originally Posted by mispoken View Post
this is not a correct statement. Start here and play with the numbers. https://dqydj.com/sp-500-return-calculator/



12.5% since November 2008

14.75% if you reinvested dividends



dont use my link as your sole source; dig in elsewhere and find if your research jives with this. I always run my annualized returns against VFINX which matches very closely to the above link.

The S&P opened 2009 at 931.80. It closed today at 3647.49. Thatís 23% average return per year on a year-by-year basis, not compounding. Are you saying you took the same 931.80 in 2008 and have turned it into 8,300+?
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