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Originally Posted by marcal (Post 2628876)

This should read, LDAL that historically have used proactive engagement, win-win style negotiations, some give/some take type of engagement that has propelled this pilot group to the forefront of the industry, helping the company make billions, enabling our pilots to lead the pack, enabling morale to be high, while still holding management accountable for their actions and standing tough when necessary.

Vs.

Old school NWA style of fighting for everything, drawing lines in the sand, never leading the industry in anything, making their own pilot miserable, and morale being in the gutter.

But hey, shutting the VB LOA, SIL LOA, antagonistic comms, etc are certainly worthy of a few chest bumps.

As far as your first paragraph goes I disagree......like a marriage gone bad, it may have been give and take in the beginning when the relationship was new but over the years, one party started taking advantage of the other (take, take, take with no give). I would much prefer the marriage to continue but that will require the company to give more to maintain the relationship. I don’t foresee this happening.

Were you former NW? I’m not. But maybe there does need to be a more definitive line between the Company and the Union.

Everything you state (except Dalpa hasn’t shutdown SIL LOA yet) is contractually valid. As in no violation of the contract by the union. Can you say the same thing about the Company or do I have to go back and list all the recent Company violations. (plural)

Denny

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Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2628884)

If we had followed your LDAL style of “roll over and take it” we’d be under that Donatelli turd with massive concessions over where we are today.

No man. Your LDAL argument just got torpedo’d.

Tail

Your both only half correct. The LDAL group brought us the turd of TA-1 - the Pilots wisely rejected it. Then we got a much better TA-2. The hardcore LNW types wanted us to reject it - the Pilots wisely passed it.

Bottom line - LDAL group was too acquiescing. The LNW group was too intransigent. Despite that the Pilot group got it right both times. :)

Scoop

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Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2628879)

Anyone remember the Donatelli turd? Yeah... I do. That was your LDAL style of “perfection” that got shot down like an Iraqi MiG. Then it was NWA style negotiations with balls that got us the contract we are on... including full retro AND NO change to profit sharing. Did you forget? Or were you not here yet?

Tail

Are you implying that TA2 was a result of NWA negotiations?? I think not.

Or were you not here yet..TIC 😊...???

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Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2628879)

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Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2628884)

this x 1000...we'd also have a terrible AM JV agreement.

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Originally Posted by marcal (Post 2628876)

while still holding management accountable for their actions and standing tough when necessary.

What are some examples of this?

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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2628955)

What are some examples of this?

narrator: there weren't any

As with almost all things in life, moderation is the key to success. Pendulum swings generally have less benefit to the group in my experience.

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Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2628965)

As with almost all things in life, moderation is the key to success. Pendulum swings generally have less benefit to the group in my experience.

Agreed. Unfortunately, we have gone from the mentality that got us TA1 to almost a DPA like one on the MEC now. The pendulum has swung way past moderation.

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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2628955)

What are some examples of this?

Filed grievance and won money and jobs for Force majeur 2 pilots company tried to furlough illegitimately.