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Old 07-05-2018 | 06:34 PM
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So there are 3 groups:

1. LDAL folks who don’t want to fight for more and are happy with just keeping things the way they are.

2. LNWA folks who are “cobra”....Ready to strike at anything.

3. Moderates who understand things and are between the other two groups.

Why the special MEC meeting? Why are Council 44 reps going nuts?

How about some communications?
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Old 07-05-2018 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WidgetDriver
So there are 3 groups:

1. LDAL folks who don’t want to fight for more and are happy with just keeping things the way they are.

2. LNWA folks who are “cobra”....Ready to strike at anything.

3. Moderates who understand things and are between the other two groups.

Why the special MEC meeting? Why are Council 44 reps going nuts?

How about some communications?
I’m guessing they are going to terminate the SIL LOA. And yes, they are nuts....
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Old 07-06-2018 | 06:01 AM
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Our union is divided big time. Most of our pilot group falls in the middle. The two extreme groups fighting over the union are exactly what the company loves to see going into negotiations. Not good. The council 44 reps can’t even agree to put out joint communications. How are they going to agree to anything?
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Old 07-06-2018 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by WidgetDriver
So there are 3 groups:

1. LDAL folks who don’t want to fight for more and are happy with just keeping things the way they are.

2. LNWA folks who are “cobra”....Ready to strike at anything.

3. Moderates who understand things and are between the other two groups.

Why the special MEC meeting? Why are Council 44 reps going nuts?

How about some communications?
Unfortunately, we have always had and probably always will have a very screwed up union with pathetic officers who push their own agendas instead of the line pilots general opinions.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WidgetDriver
So there are 3 groups:

1. LDAL folks who don’t want to fight for more and are happy with just keeping things the way they are.

2. LNWA folks who are “cobra”....Ready to strike at anything.

3. Moderates who understand things and are between the other two groups.

Why the special MEC meeting? Why are Council 44 reps going nuts?

How about some communications?
What are you referencing? I must have deleted an email without reading it.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 07:01 AM
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What are you referencing? I must have deleted an email without reading it.
Probably the roar.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by WidgetDriver
So there are 3 groups:

1. LDAL folks who don’t want to fight for more and are happy with just keeping things the way they are.
This should read, LDAL that historically have used proactive engagement, win-win style negotiations, some give/some take type of engagement that has propelled this pilot group to the forefront of the industry, helping the company make billions, enabling our pilots to lead the pack, enabling morale to be high, while still holding management accountable for their actions and standing tough when necessary.

Vs.

Old school NWA style of fighting for everything, drawing lines in the sand, never leading the industry in anything, making their own pilot miserable, and morale being in the gutter.

But hey, shutting the VB LOA, SIL LOA, antagonistic comms, etc are certainly worthy of a few chest bumps.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
This should read, LDAL that historically have used proactive engagement, win-win style negotiations, some give/some take type of engagement that has propelled this pilot group to the forefront of the industry, helping the company make billions, enabling our pilots to lead the pack, enabling morale to be high, while still holding management accountable for their actions and standing tough when necessary.

Vs.

Old school NWA style of fighting for everything, drawing lines in the sand, never leading the industry in anything, making their own pilot miserable, and morale being in the gutter.

But hey, shutting the VB LOA, SIL LOA, antagonistic comms, etc are certainly worthy of a few chest bumps.
Comparing the 2 pre-merger contracts, I'll take the LDAL style because, well ... results matter.

Chest-thumping only goes so far.


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Old 07-06-2018 | 07:18 AM
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Anyone remember the Donatelli turd? Yeah... I do. That was your LDAL style of “perfection” that got shot down like an Iraqi MiG. Then it was NWA style negotiations with balls that got us the contract we are on... including full retro AND NO change to profit sharing. Did you forget? Or were you not here yet?

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Old 07-06-2018 | 07:22 AM
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If we had followed your LDAL style of “roll over and take it” we’d be under that Donatelli turd with massive concessions over where we are today.

No man. Your LDAL argument just got torpedo’d.

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