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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
(Post 2628884)
If we had followed your LDAL style of “roll over and take it” we’d be under that Donatelli turd with massive concessions over where we are today.
No man. Your LDAL argument just got torpedo’d. Tail TA1 was a failure but Donatelli did bring us real value prior to that, only no one remembers. TA2 was brought to you by John Malone, who understands the difference between false tough a la NWA-style perpetual middle fingers (which never yields anything except "likes" on social media) and the times to truly fight hard with pre-established support from the line pilots. Inventing fake "outrage" via the crisis of the week ain't the way. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 2629028)
Donatelli also brought us the ADG of 5.15 a day which applies to reserves, 30 hr layovers, dh only duty periods and redeyes, NONE of which applied before (two day trips that paid reserves four hours anyone?). You should take a look at a ten year old bid package if you can find one. The trip values sucked.
TA1 was a failure but Donatelli did bring us real value prior to that, only no one remembers. TA2 was brought to you by John Malone, who understands the difference between false tough a la NWA-style perpetual middle fingers (which never yields anything except "likes" on social media) and the times to truly fight hard with pre-established support from the line pilots. Inventing fake "outrage" via the crisis of the week ain't the way. |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2629044)
FAR 117 brought 30 hour layovers...
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 2629048)
We had them long before FAR 117. Admittedly fewer but they were there...and paid far less than they do now.
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Originally Posted by marcal
(Post 2628876)
This should read, LDAL that historically have used proactive engagement, win-win style negotiations, some give/some take type of engagement that has propelled this pilot group to the forefront of the industry, helping the company make billions, enabling our pilots to lead the pack, enabling morale to be high, while still holding management accountable for their actions and standing tough when necessary.
Have a little self respect. The company is blatantly violating the contract. Stand up for yourself as well as our other pilots. The appeasement mentality is gone, if only 44 would see that, we could actually become united. They just keep fighting to keep Moakism alive. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 2628832)
Our union is divided big time. Most of our pilot group falls in the middle. The two extreme groups fighting over the union are exactly what the company loves to see going into negotiations. Not good. The council 44 reps can’t even agree to put out joint communications. How are they going to agree to anything?
Only a Scott and Sam are on the outside. The last gasp of management representatives. The nominating ballots for the C44 election were mailed today. Please do your part and fill them out. I support : Captains Brent Allen Derek Archer First Officers Jimmy Johnson Jon Payne I am not in C44 and my opinion cause some tears, but this election will seal the success of C2019. Atlanta is extremely powerful. With these four reps we are assured of a home run for our next contract. It is critical that you vote if you are an Atlanta pilot. Jerry Fielding |
Originally Posted by Tailhookah
(Post 2628879)
Anyone remember the Donatelli turd? Yeah... I do. That was your LDAL style of “perfection” that got shot down like an Iraqi MiG. Then it was NWA style negotiations with balls that got us the contract we are on... including full retro AND NO change to profit sharing. Did you forget? Or were you not here yet?
Tail “We will never get another penny!” They almost cost us all hundreds of millions. You’re welcome black shirt yes voters. |
In the end.....during the most powerful negotiating period in history....we still came up with an agreement that was lackluster. Good job everyone. Keep up the good work!
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Stop comparing Johnson's. Unity is the objective.
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Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 2629092)
The MEC is as united as I’ve ever seen in 30 plus years.
Only a Scott and Sam are on the outside. The last gasp of management representatives. The nominating ballots for the C44 election were mailed today. Please do your part and fill them out. I support : Captains Brent Allen Derek Archer First Officers Jimmy Johnson Jon Payne I am not in C44 and my opinion cause some tears, but this election will seal the success of C2019. Atlanta is extremely powerful. With these four reps we are assured of a home run for our next contract. It is critical that you vote if you are an Atlanta pilot. Jerry Fielding |
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