gliderguider

Even to go along with this false statement, United paid 9% less than Delta did for 2017 profit sharing. Factoring this in, their 777 crews make the same as our 7ER crews. Is the sky really falling? If flying a big airplane means that much to some people, I heard Emirates is hiring.

snowdawg

Another factor is staffing requirement. We still have 3 pilots over 8 hours. UAL gave that away last contract.

80ktsClamp

Despite larger numbers of widebodies, UA and AA have about the same and less widebody captains respectively than us due to their contracts.

We’re also taking delivery of 330NEOs and pulling some 767s out of the desert.

crewdawg

I still have guys that donte believe me when I tell them this. As of last year, we actually had more WB Captains than AAL and were pretty close to UAL (these numbers did NOT include the 75/763). However, UAL has about 2 or 3k fewer pilots than so they have about 10% more pilots on WB than we do.

I came from AAL and my classmates still can't hold WB FO, which I have held at DAL for over a year and could have held (in NYC) for over 2.5 years.

Wrt making money, the contract is a hug component as well. AALs sucked at the time and hasn't got a whole lot better. I made more year 2 on the 73 at DAL than I would have made year 3 on the 7ER at AAL. I also worked ALOT less than had I still been at AAL. 10 hour 3-days....no thanks! Being short call reserve everyday with a rap start at 0500 on day one of a reserve blocked (no commute in policy) sucked as well.

TED74

Because the others use FOs where we use captains for WB flying (we'll have 2 FOs and 2 captains where they will use 3/1 in some circumstances), UAL and AA offer quicker entry into true WB flying than does DL. Holding 777 or 787 FO in the first couple years is very possible elsewhere,
but not at Delta.

Early high pay in one's career can offset some of the pay differential between carriers.

Not trying to influence one way or another... at the moment I prefer NB in-domicile reserve over WB for family reasons. But the staffing formula difference is worth understanding.

And if one really wants early entry into WB flying... he or she should look seriously at FedEx and UPS.

snowdawg

You use 2 and 2 for over 8 hours and under 12??? doubt that.



Delta uses 3 crews over 8 hours and less then 12 by contract requirement. Not talking FAR's. everyone has to comply with that, 2+2= double crew.

crewdawg

DAL uses 1CA/2FO for 8-12, then 2CA/2FO >12 hours.

UAL/AAL uses 1CA/2FO for 8-12, then 1CA/3FO for 12-16...then >16 one of them goes to 2CA/2FO (not sure which one).

MasterOfPuppets

This isn't correct over 8 hours UA uses 3 pilots over 12 its 4 and over 16 its 2 CAs and 2 FOs.

WB flying isn't just about pay its about QOL too. At UA we regularly see CAs bid down to WB FO.

PilotJ3

Hired a year and a half ago and can hold 765 in NYC. I rather have a line in a narrow body than rsv in a WB.

Also, DAL is making a lot more money than UAL/AAL and that’s with a small raise in oil prices. I don’t want to see what could happen to AAL/UAL if the oil goes up to the 100s.

Sniper66

And higher profit sharing