Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2667554)

Are you saying that pilots are so weak/scared that they'd just go to work sick rather than call in sick? If so, that's pretty sad. If I'm sick, I call in sick, I don't think twice about it. That said, I don't necessarily agree with the sick leave verification, though I don't see it as a huge deal. I can call in sick for nearly two months and not have to verify...not many places out there can do that. My sister is in the business world for fortune 100 company and has to provide a note for anything over 2 days.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2667576)

This is the problem. Options will not work. Say for example everyone over 60 chooses the DB vice an increased DC - not enough coin to pay B. Of course a 64 year old will forgo a DC increase or even his total DC for a DB - he is only losing 1 years worth of DC for many years of DB.


The only way to pay for a straight DB/hybrid annuity monster is to secure a long term funding source not a few guys giving up a few years worth of DC.


FWIW I did see one suggested plan on Chit Chat that did have potential - it gave guys an option and would only pay out a nominal amount for 5 years - a bridge to 70 to let guys increase their PGBC and SS payouts by deferring them. Of course this plan was promptly attacked on all sides. The more outspoken older guys thought it was too little - so they will hold out for a more lucrative plan and end up with nothing. The younger guys didn't seem to like it either - although it was voluntary and didn't seem like it would affect them negatively at all.


Bottom line - A plan to rob Peter to pay Paul will probably never pass the Pilot group. And if fairness is the issue how do we compensate the guys already retired? They have no 401K to contribute?


IMHO we are better off with improvements we all benefit from: Retiree medical, HSA being topped off, increased DC etc.

Scoop

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2667554)

Are you saying that pilots are so weak/scared that they'd just go to work sick rather than call in sick? If so, that's pretty sad. If I'm sick, I call in sick, I don't think twice about it. That said, I don't necessarily agree with the sick leave verification, though I don't see it as a huge deal. I can call in sick for nearly two months and not have to verify...not many places out there can do that. My sister is in the business world for fortune 100 company and has to provide a note for anything over 2 days.

Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 2667611)

My frustration is that because I had surgery last year, and used 106 hours, any sick leave usage for the next 12 months requires a doctors note.

Do know what a Doctor thinks when you're trying to explain why you need a doctor's note for a sinus block? They are literally rolling their eyes... and with little kids, they bring home lots of viruses from school.

I understand some of the company's concerns, but I think that certain things (like surgery, in patient or not, cancer treatment, all broken bones, etc) should be removed from the 12 month look back when you're provided verification.

Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 2667611)

My frustration is that because I had surgery last year, and used 106 hours, any sick leave usage for the next 12 months requires a doctors note.

Do know what a Doctor thinks when you're trying to explain why you need a doctor's note for a sinus block? They are literally rolling their eyes... and with little kids, they bring home lots of viruses from school.

I understand some of the company's concerns, but I think that certain things (like surgery, in patient or not, cancer treatment, all broken bones, etc) should be removed from the 12 month look back when you're provided verification.

Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 2667621)

Read the contract sec 14. If you qualify for disability - you don't have to take it - key word qualify, the 100 hour resets. Who on cancer treatment isn't going to qualify?

95% of broken bones and hospital admission for an acute condition can be verified at your option and wont count towards the 100 hours. I think broken fingers, toes, and like 3 bones in your inner ear are the ones not considered "major".

If you're at 106 hours, you have the incredible burden of going to a QHCP, ie Walgreens nurse, if you get a cold and if it happens to fall on days on where you call out sick.

By the way, if you used less than 50 hours sick the last 2 years, no sick hours are subject to verification.

This is so minor of a burden. I can't believe this is still an issue to some.

Just like C2012, you still get paid if you're sick!!!

Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 2667621)

Read the contract sec 14. If you qualify for disability - you don't have to take it - key word qualify, the 100 hour resets. Who on cancer treatment isn't going to qualify?

95% of broken bones and hospital admission for an acute condition can be verified at your option and wont count towards the 100 hours. I think broken fingers, toes, and like 3 bones in your inner ear are the ones not considered "major".

If you're at 106 hours, you have the incredible burden of going to a QHCP, ie Walgreens nurse, if you get a cold and if it happens to fall on days on where you call out sick.

By the way, if you used less than 50 hours sick the last 2 years, no sick hours are subject to verification.

This is so minor of a burden, especially compared to my friends that live in the cubicle world, outside of aviation.

Just like C2012, you still get paid if you're sick!!!

Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 2667657)

...and I'm on the hook for the cost of it too.

Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 2667611)

Do know what a Doctor thinks when you're trying to explain why you need a doctor's note for a sinus block? They are literally rolling their eyes...

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2667629)

But I need to be able to call in sick via the app so I don’t have to call a human. That burden just makes people fly sick!

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2667674)

I asked my Doc if writing notes was uncommon. She said not at all, I write them all the time. I'm not defending the note, just pointing out that it's not as uncommon as people let on. I do think the "if this, then that" is beyond stupid though. Any medical professional should work wrt a sick note.



Actually that would be nice to have, and wouldn't cost much to implement. I can call a number, and never talk to a person to deviate DH...why can't I do the same for calling in sick?