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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2668025)
I just read the pertinent section of the PWA. There is no way to pre-emptively verify, that is: Verify for a sick call that is your first/second of the year or if your usage is on the low side.
We did away with this last contract, correct? |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2668025)
I just read the pertinent section of the PWA. There is no way to pre-emptively verify, that is: Verify for a sick call that is your first/second of the year or if your usage is on the low side.
We did away with this last contract, correct? |
Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 2667554)
Are you saying that pilots are so weak/scared that they'd just go to work sick rather than call in sick? If so, that's pretty sad. If I'm sick, I call in sick, I don't think twice about it. That said, I don't necessarily agree with the sick leave verification, though I don't see it as a huge deal. I can call in sick for nearly two months and not have to verify...not many places out there can do that. My sister is in the business world for fortune 100 company and has to provide a note for anything over 2 days.
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
(Post 2667890)
Clearly everyone has their personal priorities. Retirement is very important to some, insurance to others, retirement insurance to others, pay rates to some, QOL items to others... I was agreeing that gains in areas which benefit the most should be prioritized. Some areas of our contracts, or more specifically, where we spend negotiating capital to make gains in our contract are proving to be divisive. Now some pilots are actually talking about intentionally introducing concessions (scope sales) in an effort/threat harm certain segments of our group???:(
BTW, I can't remember the last I sat reserve. Definitely prebankruptcy. . I'd love to improve reserve rules as it benefits everyone. More senior guys bidding reserve is better for less senior line holders as well. I want to prioritize our capital in areas which help all. We all get a voice. You look at my example as a threat. It is not a threat. It was an example just like the reserve comment. If I get the chance to evaluate another contract for a vote, you can bet I will look at the WHOLE TA and not just one particular part. You want to prioritize our capital in areas to help all. I want that.......and more. Denny |
Originally Posted by Hillbilly
(Post 2667899)
Denny, you are correct that it is displayed up to the minute. Based on reading NN 17-13, my impression is that your verification status is set for an entire bid period based on your usage for the 12 previous bid periods. Your example with a second sick call on 21-24 sep would not require verification. Assuming there aren’t enough hours to fall out of your 12 bid period look back, you would be on the hook for verification in October though. Take a look at that notepad and let me know what you think.
Admittedly, I have never had to verify as I have fallen under the less than 50 exclusion since this was implemented. I’m sure at some point it will snag me though and I want to make sure my understanding is accurate. Subject to Section 14 F. 6., a pilot who has used more than 100 but not more than 160 hours of sick leave in the 12 completed bid periods preceding the start of a sick occurrence, other than sick leave that has been verified under Section 14 F. 4., will be required to verify such occurrence within 21 days of its start by providing to his Chief Pilot or the Pilot Support Center either a QHCP certificate or a doctor’s certificate. The above makes no mention of month. It does make mention of bid periods but that is in a look back capacity. Denny |
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I agree that we are on the same page except for the one part. I also think your quote of the language supports my case. The key word in the language is completed. A current bid period is never a part of the calculation under the language. I contend that if the 12 previous completed bid periods show 99:59 on day one of the month, they will still show 99:59 on the last day of the month even if you called in sick, because they are completed bid periods. What happens in the current bid period does not become part of the look back to trigger verification until the point that the current bid period becomes a completed bid period, ie you start the next bid period. I acknowledge that the iCrew display shows up to date usage, but the look back that triggers verification uses only the 12 previous completed bid periods.
Maybe someone on here has actually been in this situation and can clarify. Has anyone started a bid period with no verification requirement and had to verify something in that current bid period outside of a good faith basis? |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2668230)
Actually yes they are...i’ve Flown with plenty of captains and other FOs that do exactly that.
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If the company is so bent on verification, not allowing early verification is something that has to die hard in the next contract.
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 2668386)
Sad! Did you tell them to get some intestinal fortitude and stop coming to work and making others sick?
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
(Post 2668308)
I agree that we are on the same page except for the one part. I also think your quote of the language supports my case. The key word in the language is completed. A current bid period is never a part of the calculation under the language. I contend that if the 12 previous completed bid periods show 99:59 on day one of the month, they will still show 99:59 on the last day of the month even if you called in sick, because they are completed bid periods. What happens in the current bid period does not become part of the look back to trigger verification until the point that the current bid period becomes a completed bid period, ie you start the next bid period. I acknowledge that the iCrew display shows up to date usage, but the look back that triggers verification uses only the 12 previous completed bid periods.
Maybe someone on here has actually been in this situation and can clarify. Has anyone started a bid period with no verification requirement and had to verify something in that current bid period outside of a good faith basis? This month 24hrs will drop off and I will be under 100 hrs and go off QHCP. If, in October I call in sick for a 25 hour trip 3-7 October (taking me back over 100 hrs) then call in well for a week then sick out over an 8 day 50 hour trip later in Oct., I will have to verify that 50 hour trip to get paid for it. Your current month is still part of the 100 hours. Denny |
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