Originally Posted by Flytolive

United has 1,183 Captains at the highest pay rate and 4,879 Captains total. How many does Delta have in those two categories?

Originally Posted by OOfff

You are a dumb new hire with no right to an opinion until you don’t disagree with anything any senior person says.

Originally Posted by Gooner

I don’t think it really matters, seniority is great for many things, I just don’t think drastic pay differences in seat need to be another benefit.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Huh. Okay. Possible Millennial.....

Denny

Originally Posted by OOfff

You are a dumb new hire with no right to an opinion until you don’t disagree with anything any senior person says.

Originally Posted by Gooner

I’m sure you’re right captain. That was a great landing by the way. I’ll take the fat one.

Originally Posted by Scoop

Lots of good info in this thread but it does not really drive me to reach any conclusions:


Longevity Pay vs Pay Banding vs our Current pay - Too many variables and unknowns to know how this would affect us. Interesting theories put forth, but without details its all speculation. Even with details we have no idea how guys would bid and how quickly guys would bid.



The Seniority system: Yes we run on a seniority system. To all those lamenting the inequities and evils of a seniority system wait until you have put in at least 20 years working your way up through the system and then change it to your detriment to benefit those that follow you. You will feel feel very good about yourself.


Paying your dues: We have all payed dues but guess what? Dues paid anywhere other than Delta Air Lines are irrelevant when discussing Delta Air Lines. Joe Blow did great things in the military - good for him, lets start him out as a new hire. John Q Public did great things at XYZ connection carrier, great he starts at DAL as a new hire.


Opinions of new Guys: Every Delta Pilots has opinions and all deserve to be heard from a new hire on day 1 to the 64 year old international Pilot who can't figure out where he left his hat. Opinions are like ideas - if its good its good, where and who it originated from is inconsequential. Plenty of new hires have some great ideas about how to improve this place and we should hear them out.


Scoop

Originally Posted by Gooner

I feel like this has broken down into the wrong argument.

I don’t contend that I’m as good as someone way more senior to me. I do know, and FOQA data shows that we ALL make mistakes.

My argument is this. Shouldn’t we drive to have as many of our pilots make as much as possible? If so why should we not get years 1-5 pay closer to year 12 pay? I mean if we are in it together and we should all reap the rewards. Is it an unwillingness to share the pie more evenly?

I don’t fault seniority should grant you a better schedule or first crack at premium time or preference on plane/seat. But does the pay need to be that different? Again not saying captains shouldn’t make more either, they should, but is a year 5 captain worth 20-30% less than a 12 year captain?

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Well, with me attitude out there, I might as well join in.

So, you want to take my raise and give it to a 5 year guy..........is that what you are saying? 'Cause it certainly looks that way...

Denny

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Year 1 through 5 pay are the most improved pay rates at Delta since I was hired by a huge margin.