Ed’s Interview With Maria
10-09-2018 | 09:58 AM
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You gave a good description of why a Captain gets paid more than an FO or why a 5yr FO is paid more than a 1 yr FO, but failed to connect the dots between a 5 and 25 years in the same seat. Besides, do you really want to provide decades of pay raises to pilots who camp out in the right seat. We have enough senior WB FOs, there is no need to further encourage the behavior with LBP.
10-09-2018 | 10:00 AM
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Good luck with your line of reasoning. I'll give you a hint. It won't get far.
Newer medical and legal professionals work FAR harder than their senior peers for far less money. Far more so than in this industry. I knew one (now) senior and respected physician who told me that in her intern year she spent something like nine DAYS away from the hospital, all for a pittance in salary.
Sometimes that's just life in this world, far beyond this industry. I don't think you'll get much traction from a position that states that a new hire should make the same as a current 777A.
Newer medical and legal professionals work FAR harder than their senior peers for far less money. Far more so than in this industry. I knew one (now) senior and respected physician who told me that in her intern year she spent something like nine DAYS away from the hospital, all for a pittance in salary.
Sometimes that's just life in this world, far beyond this industry. I don't think you'll get much traction from a position that states that a new hire should make the same as a current 777A.
10-09-2018 | 10:14 AM
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Pilot compensation should vary inversely with how much they are enjoying the job. After each trip, a Fun-O-Meter reading will be transmitted to payroll. Grumpy geezers will cash in, as will those who have to fly with them. 
10-09-2018 | 10:21 AM
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You've made the assumption that the pilot group would concede scope to the 100 seat level.
First off, this doesn't include the A220/717 as they are 110 seats.
Secondly, that would never pass, and that's even more true with each passing day that pilots retire off the top and new hires with 20-35 years ahead of them are added to the bottom of the list.
First off, this doesn't include the A220/717 as they are 110 seats.
Secondly, that would never pass, and that's even more true with each passing day that pilots retire off the top and new hires with 20-35 years ahead of them are added to the bottom of the list.
10-09-2018 | 10:22 AM
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10-09-2018 | 10:28 AM
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Good luck with your line of reasoning. I'll give you a hint. It won't get far.
Newer medical and legal professionals work FAR harder than their senior peers for far less money. Far more so than in this industry. I knew one (now) senior and respected physician who told me that in her intern year she spent something like nine DAYS away from the hospital, all for a pittance in salary.
Sometimes that's just life in this world, far beyond this industry. I don't think you'll get much traction from a position that states that a new hire should make the same as a current 777A.
Newer medical and legal professionals work FAR harder than their senior peers for far less money. Far more so than in this industry. I knew one (now) senior and respected physician who told me that in her intern year she spent something like nine DAYS away from the hospital, all for a pittance in salary.
Sometimes that's just life in this world, far beyond this industry. I don't think you'll get much traction from a position that states that a new hire should make the same as a current 777A.
10-09-2018 | 10:39 AM
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Good question. Is this something historical? Did the company or ALPA (of old) choose this? Was it a compromise?
This seems like it is more favorable to the company in terms of projecting cost and limiting pay growth, but it also is a negotiating point for both sides for costing purposes.
This seems like it is more favorable to the company in terms of projecting cost and limiting pay growth, but it also is a negotiating point for both sides for costing purposes.
To put it more simply, the top out pay tends to be very close or the same, so extending it out further just reduces pay earlier on so you can have all the "steps."
10-09-2018 | 10:42 AM
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I did the math on all of this right after the merger. If I could find the paper I would post it.... on second though probably not. I have tired of getting shouted down by the "Everyone will get 777 pay" crowd (Or actually by the "777s will then pay RJ pay).... GARBAGE... so I gave up. Now it is more amusement that I see whining about how we only have 1/3 the Super Premium widebody flying that UAL and AAL have and there is zero attempt to rectify the difference or find a different way to skin the cat.
Let's just make sure the few that are lucky enough to be in the bigger categories get paid the most, because they generate the most money for the company. (that one always cracks me up) Awesome.
The window on all of this will start to close at some point in the not too distant future, and if we do nothing to fix it on this contract, hiring/retiring will slow, and any modification will be more difficult, and -dare I say- painful.
/rant
Let's just make sure the few that are lucky enough to be in the bigger categories get paid the most, because they generate the most money for the company. (that one always cracks me up) Awesome.
The window on all of this will start to close at some point in the not too distant future, and if we do nothing to fix it on this contract, hiring/retiring will slow, and any modification will be more difficult, and -dare I say- painful.
/rant
When people talk about "airframes" and not CA positions when referencing CA paid widebodies I stop paying attention because it means they don't actually have any clue to how we are paid an how they are.
Since UAL and AA gave up a lot of their widebody CA positions we have a significant number more CAs per airframe than they do. When you start factoring in how profitable DAL has been and our profit sharing as well as some of our work rule advantages the disparities between our lower paid widebodies and theirs are not as significant.
10-09-2018 | 10:46 AM
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You didn't reference the false flag he inserted that a new hire would get the same as a 777A, but I will. This isn't about paying a new hire the same as a senior WB CA. It is, however, about not screwing over junior pilots because that's how the regionals always did it. Regionals did it to shift more money senior at contract time since many pilots weren't long timers anyway. At a career airline a pilot will make more over a career reaching top out pay sooner with smaller jumps at each step, that's all there is to it.
10-09-2018 | 10:51 AM
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