Longevity pay fixes that. If everybody had longevity pay, Plouffe could have his wish of DOH (at whatever airline) integration because your pay wouldn't change. Disparate companies merging would have little to no effect on QOL. I know there is at least one guy on this board that is only flying big widebody because of the money and would bid down if that money were the same. Ain't that right... sailingfun?

I would bid down to copilot. Seems weird to pay copilots more than Captains! We would also be one of the first to decouple revenue generation from pay. Your assertion it would change seniority integration would only be true if our new rates matched narrowbody rates at other airlines.
Did you watch the recent video by ED where he discussed fleet plans and the ATC system. He repeatedly said upsizing the fleet is the only way to sustain growth. That process is underway right now. Shame to give up all those free unnegotiated pay raises!

Can you guys clarify longevity pay? Is it the same as UPS - no regard to equipment, just years and seat? Does it still cap at 12 years? Just trying to think through the pros and cons...

Envoy has a type of longevity pay: your seniority determines which aircraft pay rate you receive. The most senior pilot receives EMB-175 pay even though he may choose to fly the EMB-145.

What's a copilot?:rolleyes:

It’s a Deltaism. Like “Initial,” “Rotation,” and “Cap.” :p

How?

If a narrow body LCC were to pillage our seniority list by scoring a full relative windfall because "what difference does it make the rates are all the same" that would cost our pilots seniority numbers compared to a limited/slotted/pull-n-plug/etc narrow body only relative integration.

I'm just not seeing the panacea with LBP except for the company with less training churn which means less pilots, less SLI's, etc. Throw in the possibility of even a fraction of a percent worse seniority integration and why would we even consider it? What's the big gain anyway? Everyone gets 777 pay overnight? Highly unlikely. LBP won't magically generate more money for us to spread around; odds are overwhelming that top rates will be lowered to bring lower rates up. So what's the big draw for the entire group as a whole?

Seems to me pay banding is a good compromise.

Denny

That’s not how it works. Longevity pay is based in your years of service regardless of equipment. What Envoy has is a disgrace for the RJ part of the industry.

UPS has longevity pay, Envoy has seniority pay.

Tomato tomato. Just different ways to skin the cat. Both can be concessions unless you recoup the value traded for the savings in diminished training churn.