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Herkflyr 10-09-2018 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Tummy (Post 2688436)
It makes perfect sense. They are both doing the same job. The first year pilot is probably doing a better job, because he doesn't insist on using 727 procedures whenever there is no line check airman on the jumpseat.

And that's why medical residents make just as much as long-established doctors, and new hire lawyers who work 80+ hours a week make just as much as partners in the law firm.

Oh wait...you mean it doesn't make any sense right?

Gooner 10-09-2018 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2688468)
And that's why medical residents make just as much as long-established doctors, and new hire lawyers who work 80+ hours a week make just as much as partners in the law firm.

Oh wait...you mean it doesn't make any sense right?

I thought we paid our dues prior to Delta? I thought we were made “partner” when we came here? We need to pay our dues more? How much better is a 12 year FO than his 2-3 year coworker? 50% more, 30%?

I’ve seen the same mistakes made by all seniority levels but yes let’s give more to the senior pilot because he is senior.

OOfff 10-09-2018 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2688468)
And that's why medical residents make just as much as long-established doctors, and new hire lawyers who work 80+ hours a week make just as much as partners in the law firm.

Oh wait...you mean it doesn't make any sense right?

Medical interns do substantially different work from residents, fellows, and others. New hire lawyers do substantially different work from senior partners.

A junior pilot does the exact same job as a senior pilot.

Denny Crane 10-09-2018 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Gooner (Post 2688503)
I thought we paid our dues prior to Delta? I thought we were made “partner” when we came here? We need to pay our dues more? How much better is a 12 year FO than his 2-3 year coworker? 50% more, 30%?

I’ve seen the same mistakes made by all seniority levels but yes let’s give more to the senior pilot because he is senior.

How old are you? In your 20’s/early 30’s?

Denny

Herkflyr 10-09-2018 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2688508)
Medical interns do substantially different work from residents, fellows, and others. New hire lawyers do substantially different work from senior partners.

A junior pilot does the exact same job as a senior pilot.

Good luck with your line of reasoning. I'll give you a hint. It won't get far.

Newer medical and legal professionals work FAR harder than their senior peers for far less money. Far more so than in this industry. I knew one (now) senior and respected physician who told me that in her intern year she spent something like nine DAYS away from the hospital, all for a pittance in salary.

Sometimes that's just life in this world, far beyond this industry. I don't think you'll get much traction from a position that states that a new hire should make the same as a current 777A.

JamesBond 10-09-2018 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2688451)
Set the 321 as the floor for pay and you can kiss the 100 seat airframes goodbye at the mainline.

Aren't you arguing that LBP would be a win for management? If that were the case, the quid pro quo is 100 seat flying in our contract.


This is not nearly as hard as you make it once you throw out the old concept of bigger pays more as your baseline.

p3flteng 10-09-2018 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2688083)
I actually would like to see pay based on the number of actual souls on board. (Ferry flights are free)


3.....2.....1......

You Soulless bastard!

Wink....

OOfff 10-09-2018 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2688530)
I don't think you'll get much traction from a position that states that a new hire should make the same as a current 777A.

What scarecrow suggested this?

Gunfighter 10-09-2018 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2688468)
And that's why medical residents make just as much as long-established doctors, and new hire lawyers who work 80+ hours a week make just as much as partners in the law firm.

Oh wait...you mean it doesn't make any sense right?

You gave a good description of why a Captain gets paid more than an FO or why a 5yr FO is paid more than a 1 yr FO, but failed to connect the dots between a 5 and 25 years in the same seat. Besides, do you really want to provide decades of pay raises to pilots who camp out in the right seat. We have enough senior WB FOs, there is no need to further encourage the behavior with LBP.

JamesBond 10-09-2018 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2688563)
You gave a good description of why a Captain gets paid more than an FO or why a 5yr FO is paid more than a 1 yr FO, but failed to connect the dots between a 5 and 25 years in the same seat. Besides, do you really want to provide decades of pay raises to pilots who camp out in the right seat. We have enough senior WB FOs, there is no need to further encourage the behavior with LBP.

There would be seat differential even with LBP. :rolleyes:


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