Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2688563)

You gave a good description of why a Captain gets paid more than an FO or why a 5yr FO is paid more than a 1 yr FO, but failed to connect the dots between a 5 and 25 years in the same seat. Besides, do you really want to provide decades of pay raises to pilots who camp out in the right seat. We have enough senior WB FOs, there is no need to further encourage the behavior with LBP.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2688530)

Good luck with your line of reasoning. I'll give you a hint. It won't get far.

Newer medical and legal professionals work FAR harder than their senior peers for far less money. Far more so than in this industry. I knew one (now) senior and respected physician who told me that in her intern year she spent something like nine DAYS away from the hospital, all for a pittance in salary.

Sometimes that's just life in this world, far beyond this industry. I don't think you'll get much traction from a position that states that a new hire should make the same as a current 777A.

Originally Posted by contrails (Post 2688458)

You've made the assumption that the pilot group would concede scope to the 100 seat level.

First off, this doesn't include the A220/717 as they are 110 seats.

Secondly, that would never pass, and that's even more true with each passing day that pilots retire off the top and new hires with 20-35 years ahead of them are added to the bottom of the list.

Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 2688583)

Pilot compensation should vary inversely with how much they are enjoying the job. After each trip, a Fun-O-Meter reading will be transmitted to payroll. Grumpy geezers will cash in, as will those who have to fly with them. :D

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2688530)

Good luck with your line of reasoning. I'll give you a hint. It won't get far.

Newer medical and legal professionals work FAR harder than their senior peers for far less money. Far more so than in this industry. I knew one (now) senior and respected physician who told me that in her intern year she spent something like nine DAYS away from the hospital, all for a pittance in salary.

Sometimes that's just life in this world, far beyond this industry. I don't think you'll get much traction from a position that states that a new hire should make the same as a current 777A.

Originally Posted by captkdobbs (Post 2687961)

Good question. Is this something historical? Did the company or ALPA (of old) choose this? Was it a compromise?

This seems like it is more favorable to the company in terms of projecting cost and limiting pay growth, but it also is a negotiating point for both sides for costing purposes.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2688042)

I did the math on all of this right after the merger. If I could find the paper I would post it.... on second though probably not. I have tired of getting shouted down by the "Everyone will get 777 pay" crowd (Or actually by the "777s will then pay RJ pay).... GARBAGE... so I gave up. Now it is more amusement that I see whining about how we only have 1/3 the Super Premium widebody flying that UAL and AAL have and there is zero attempt to rectify the difference or find a different way to skin the cat.

Let's just make sure the few that are lucky enough to be in the bigger categories get paid the most, because they generate the most money for the company. (that one always cracks me up) Awesome.

The window on all of this will start to close at some point in the not too distant future, and if we do nothing to fix it on this contract, hiring/retiring will slow, and any modification will be more difficult, and -dare I say- painful.



/rant

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2688591)

I did that for 2 years at my regional at 10 days off a month or less making less than $30k a year. Some people did it for the better part of a decade. What's your point?

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2688526)

How old are you? In your 20’s/early 30’s?

Denny