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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2688095)
I disagree. When the 777s go away, there will be paycuts.
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Originally Posted by ppping
(Post 2688025)
So you are arguing that we should make less early in our career so we can make more later in our career? The top of our pay scale is going to be the same regardless so why not get there quickly?
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Originally Posted by pileit
(Post 2688106)
I didn't bring up extending the pay to 42 years I am responding to someone else who did if you read the above. In response I am saying YES to extend it from 12 out to 42 years you would have to lower the years 1-5 rates most likely, Delta would spend hundreds of millions extending pay rates to infinity. I don't think year 1 & 12 should be so close personally, but changing any of this is not important to me in the contract at all, I am just responding to another post.
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LBP sounds nice on the surface, but it reduces the incentive for the company to bring the 100 seat flying in house. When you start factoring in the flight crew portion of CASM on the A220 vs the B765, the math doesn't work out well at the same hourly rate. LBP works well at UPS due to a similarly sized fleet. Banding like FedEX or UAL could work well at Delta, because it addresses the broad range of the fleet.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2688188)
LBP sounds nice on the surface, but it reduces the incentive for the company to bring the 100 seat flying in house. When you start factoring in the flight crew portion of CASM on the A220 vs the B765, the math doesn't work out well at the same hourly rate. LBP works well at UPS due to a similarly sized fleet. Banding like FedEX or UAL could work well at Delta, because it addresses the broad range of the fleet.
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Originally Posted by pileit
(Post 2687973)
I'm all for reducing the 2nd, 3rd & 4th year Captain pay to increase the longevity pay going forward.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 2687993)
So show us a rough, but as close to accurate as you can WAG, the pay tables you think we'd see one we become LBP based.
We're simply not going to have this discussion on a theoretical basis with no known outcome until its already committed to. Hey I have a great idea! But first let's reach V1 with it and then we'll see the details! This will never happen, because some pilots would rather not see their coworkers get a raise in order to preserve their sense of superiority. |
Originally Posted by pileit
(Post 2688015)
I hear you, but shouldn't there be a difference between a year 1 and year 25 pilot? Bottom line...at 80 hrs. a month/each, a year 1 guy will earn nearly the same as a year 25 guy. MD88 as an example would be $1,900 per month difference for 2 captains flying 80 hrs./mo year 1 pay as captain, vs. year 25. Makes no sense at all.
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Originally Posted by Tummy
(Post 2688435)
It would be incremental. Start by trying to set 321 pay as the floor for all fleets. Next contract, try to set 330 pay as the floor. Third contract, try to get everything to pay 350 rates.
This will never happen, because some pilots would rather not see their coworkers get a raise in order to preserve their sense of superiority. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2688451)
Set the 321 as the floor for pay and you can kiss the 100 seat airframes goodbye at the mainline.
First off, this doesn't include the A220/717 as they are 110 seats. Secondly, that would never pass, and that's even more true with each passing day that pilots retire off the top and new hires with 20-35 years ahead of them are added to the bottom of the list. |
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