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10-21-2018, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
Do you honestly think the current MEC is listening to the majority? Not sure I get that impression..........
10-21-2018, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble
Said they need to listen. Soon the mec’s excuse of “we are in compliance mode, not negotiating mode” will be over. (It is a bull****** excuse, but good enough for some.) We have had almost two years of lost opportunity, but now it is play or **** time for the MEC.
10-21-2018, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble
Said they need to listen. Soon the mec’s excuse of “we are in compliance mode, not negotiating mode” will be over. (It is a bull****** excuse, but good enough for some.) We have had almost two years of lost opportunity, but now it is play or **** time for the MEC.
All management has done in the past 2 years is violate the contract. They have no interest in negotiating.
I’d love to hear what we are missing and how we get a deal.
10-21-2018, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Describe the deals we missed.
All management has done in the past 2 years is violate the contract. They have no interest in negotiating.
I’d love to hear what we are missing and how we get a deal.
All management has done in the past 2 years is violate the contract. They have no interest in negotiating.
I’d love to hear what we are missing and how we get a deal.
10-21-2018, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
Great. Are those the same excuses we can expect during contract negotiations? Have you ever considered why the company has no interest in negotiating with this MEC. I certainly have ideas.......
And how would you capture these deals?
All I hear is you whining.
Be specific.
Is it ok with you that management repeated and willfully violates our contract?
What other partner do they treat like this? Boeing? Airbus? American Express?
Captain Kessler recovered millions and millions for our line pilots who were shorted thousands of dollars during reroute and OE. He recovered over 30 hours for me in my OE month on the A330. If I wasn’t familiar with our PWA, these hours would have gone unpaid. Is that ok with you? If we flew Delta planes like management pays reroutes, I shutter to consider the consequences.
How many millions are we missing? Common sense would say several million annually. Even Bill will tell you this.
What kind of company shorts their employees pay intentionally? Why isn’t this automated?
Would Boeing or Airbus tolerate this behavior?
10-21-2018, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
Have you ever considered why the company has no interest in negotiating with this MEC. I certainly have ideas.......
10-22-2018, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I've seen an MEC with which the company enjoyed negotiating quite well. I didn't care for it.
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10-22-2018, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Again. What deals have we missed?
And how would you capture these deals?
All I hear is you whining.
Be specific.
Is it ok with you that management repeated and willfully violates our contract?
What other partner do they treat like this? Boeing? Airbus? American Express?
Captain Kessler recovered millions and millions for our line pilots who were shorted thousands of dollars during reroute and OE. He recovered over 30 hours for me in my OE month on the A330. If I wasn’t familiar with our PWA, these hours would have gone unpaid. Is that ok with you? If we flew Delta planes like management pays reroutes, I shutter to consider the consequences.
How many millions are we missing? Common sense would say several million annually. Even Bill will tell you this.
What kind of company shorts their employees pay intentionally? Why isn’t this automated?
Would Boeing or Airbus tolerate this behavior?
And how would you capture these deals?
All I hear is you whining.
Be specific.
Is it ok with you that management repeated and willfully violates our contract?
What other partner do they treat like this? Boeing? Airbus? American Express?
Captain Kessler recovered millions and millions for our line pilots who were shorted thousands of dollars during reroute and OE. He recovered over 30 hours for me in my OE month on the A330. If I wasn’t familiar with our PWA, these hours would have gone unpaid. Is that ok with you? If we flew Delta planes like management pays reroutes, I shutter to consider the consequences.
How many millions are we missing? Common sense would say several million annually. Even Bill will tell you this.
What kind of company shorts their employees pay intentionally? Why isn’t this automated?
Would Boeing or Airbus tolerate this behavior?
No, it is not ok that management has violated the contract.
Meanwhile, all we have heard from the MEC Admin is whining about management. It is the administration’s job to do rectify the problem and not have members of the administration come on social media and throw the burden back at line pilots. This administration has no strategic plan.
Very glad Captain Kessler got your owed pay. He did great work for the Delta pilots. Too bad the MEC fired him.
10-22-2018, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble
All I hear is whining. From you? That is funny.
No, it is not ok that management has violated the contract.
Meanwhile, all we have heard from the MEC Admin is whining about management. It is the administration’s job to do rectify the problem and not have members of the administration come on social media and throw the burden back at line pilots. This administration has no strategic plan.
Very glad Captain Kessler got your owed pay. He did great work for the Delta pilots. Too bad the MEC fired him.
No, it is not ok that management has violated the contract.
Meanwhile, all we have heard from the MEC Admin is whining about management. It is the administration’s job to do rectify the problem and not have members of the administration come on social media and throw the burden back at line pilots. This administration has no strategic plan.
Very glad Captain Kessler got your owed pay. He did great work for the Delta pilots. Too bad the MEC fired him.
The Delta pilots should be paid properly 100% of the time.
Our management runs a near perfect air line each and every day. Yet they choose not to automate reroute pay and OE pay.
They could pay is properly. They could dedicate the resources to upgrade the technology.
Again, which vendor would tolerate Delta shorting them in this fashion? Which vendor would tolerate constant contract violations?
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