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Old 11-08-2018 | 04:05 AM
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AvWeek has a interesting take on where widebody orders are heading. A380 DOA, 777X and A350-10 underachieving. Not much love for the A330neo. The 787 is now the shining star!

“”Smaller airplanes aren’t safe from market trends either. While the A350-900 program is healthy (713 orders since 2005), the A330neo now holds just 224. The Boeing 787 is now a remarkable success (1,527 orders since 2005), with output ramping up next year to 14 per month. The current rate is already a record for any twin-aisle, and these volumes are allowing Boeing to be increasingly aggressive on price against competitors (while still obtaining respectable recurring profits). In fact, it’s worth considering whether aggressive 787 sales and prices are complicating the business case for Boeing’s proposed new midmarket airplane.””

These market trends spell danger for several key programs. Clearly, we won’t see the 777X get back to the 777 peak rate—8.3 per month—for quite some time, if ever. The A350-1000 can just limp along on the back of -900 output, but talk of a growth version to challenge the 777-9X has ended. As for the A330neo, it runs the risk of becoming the MD-11 of today—a modest update swiftly overtaken by new-generation rivals.
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Old 11-08-2018 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
AvWeek has a interesting take on where widebody orders are heading. A380 DOA, 777X and A350-10 underachieving. Not much love for the A330neo. The 787 is now the shining star!

“”Smaller airplanes aren’t safe from market trends either. While the A350-900 program is healthy (713 orders since 2005), the A330neo now holds just 224. The Boeing 787 is now a remarkable success (1,527 orders since 2005), with output ramping up next year to 14 per month. The current rate is already a record for any twin-aisle, and these volumes are allowing Boeing to be increasingly aggressive on price against competitors (while still obtaining respectable recurring profits). In fact, it’s worth considering whether aggressive 787 sales and prices are complicating the business case for Boeing’s proposed new midmarket airplane.””

These market trends spell danger for several key programs. Clearly, we won’t see the 777X get back to the 777 peak rate—8.3 per month—for quite some time, if ever. The A350-1000 can just limp along on the back of -900 output, but talk of a growth version to challenge the 777-9X has ended. As for the A330neo, it runs the risk of becoming the MD-11 of today—a modest update swiftly overtaken by new-generation rivals.

Soo? Am I being harsh when I say I'm a wee bit tired of DL buying carriers who operate 787, 777-300,A380,747-8... So we can feed them? OFG
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Soo? Am I being harsh when I say I'm a wee bit tired of DL buying carriers who operate 787, 777-300,A380,747-8... So we can feed them? OFG
We are getting the first of 25 A330 NEOs that pay exactly the same as the 787 this Spring.

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There is one for the 330NEO at Delta

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