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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 2767032)
Tax reciepts are 3.2T (2018) but we're spending around 4.2T. W's first full budget was 1.8T. He doubled the debt and Obama doubled it again. Trump has increased it 10% so far and will increase it further no doubt.
The 35% corporate tax cut was a joke. It was being avoided very agressively. Cutting it to 21% was absolutely necessary. There's nothing "trickle" about letting the vastly superior free market (when its not being poisioned with Freddie and Fannie and all the other bright idea "programs" etc), individuals and businesses of all size thrive over command and control government edict fantasies that only work in the schoolhouse and not very well even there. When taxes are insanely high (like the socialist fantasies of 70-90%) no one pays them and the economy suffers. Reagan slashed the top marginal rate and revenues increased in his 8 years. Taxing yourself into prosperity is a myth. Back then debt was around 25% of GDP. Since Regan cuts jumped to 40% and increased from there. Marginal tax rate of 70% is well below the max rate during the post WWII boom. Free market where corporations are buying back stock instead of paying more? Our current PWA is from 2016. Tax cut in 2018. You really think Delta will negotiate a contract with a higher gains then in 2016? |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 2767021)
That has nothing whatsoever to do with tax cuts. We're collecting record tax revenues anyway, its the spending that's out of control. We're at 2.5X W's first budget. No one can say no to anything, and we're about to publicly invite anyone on the planet who wants benefits to come and get them oh and FYI we are the 1%.
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Originally Posted by VictorAW
(Post 2767085)
Not even close. Maybe closer to the 10%, but nowhere near the top 1%
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Originally Posted by VictorAW
(Post 2767085)
Not even close. Maybe closer to the 10%, but nowhere near the top 1%
Originally Posted by Iceberg
(Post 2767173)
Probably depends on the source of your information, but from what I found, 200k puts you around 97%. It’s a steep gradient at that level of the income curve.
$32,400 puts you in the top 1% worldwide. If you are on welfare in the US, you are a worldwide 1% er... https://www.investopedia.com/article...cent-world.asp |
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2767202)
I think you misunderstood Gloopy. He is saying the US is the top 1% and "we're about to publicly invite anyone on the planet who wants benefits to come and get them"
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
(Post 2767173)
Probably depends on the source of your information, but from what I found, 200k puts you around 97%. It’s a steep gradient at that level of the income curve.
CNBC says the household income threshold to be in the 1% is $421,926. They also list each threshold by state. http://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/07/27/h...-us-state.html If you look at the mean income of the 1%, it’s clear how far from the top the typical Delta pilot is. The mean income of the 1% nationwide is $1.32 million according to the article, so even a perpetually green-slipping 350A is still in the bottom half of the 1% unless they are married to a surgeon...or another 350 captain. Or possibly a plumber. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by bohicagain
(Post 2767027)
Less money in. Same spending. Deficit increases. Have to borrow $ to pay all expenses. Debt increases.
It absolutely has to do with tax cut. Trickle down is a myth. |
Originally Posted by bohicagain
(Post 2767042)
70% marginal tax rate. The marginal tax rate was up to the 90's% for income above 200k (About 2.8 million in today's $$)
Back then debt was around 25% of GDP. Since Regan cuts jumped to 40% and increased from there. Marginal tax rate of 70% is well below the max rate during the post WWII boom. Free market where corporations are buying back stock instead of paying more? Our current PWA is from 2016. Tax cut in 2018. You really think Delta will negotiate a contract with a higher gains then in 2016? And how exactly do you force companies to not buyback stock (which I'm also a critic of)? Order them to liquidate that money to the workers? LOL yeah right good luck with that, it might work once, then they'll make sure that money goes elsewhere next time. Reagan's debt only increased because Tip and Ted promised spending cuts that never transpired and Reagan fell for it. Same "deal" as their mass amnesty 1.0 that flipped CA blue for the next 1000 years in exchange for border security that never transpired and now we're on the verge of mass amnesty 2.0 that will flip the country Maduro socialist for 1000 years (or worse). Neither side has the appetite for govt/spending cuts, which BTW were the real reason for the post WWII recovery. Bush doubled the debt in 8 years and Obama doubled it again in 8 years. No one will cut anything unless its offset by even more spending elsewhere and even then its hard. Tax and spend ourselves into prosperity by confiscating the vast majority of everything from everyone is not going to work out very well for your airline pilot ambitions. As for C19 what do you mean "higher gains"? Are you referring to the same percentage raise as last time? Any gains? Any gains over inflation? I don't know what the end product will be at this point and no one else really does, but what does that have to do with income tax brackets either way? |
Originally Posted by VictorAW
(Post 2767085)
Not even close. Maybe closer to the 10%, but nowhere near the top 1%
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
(Post 2767238)
A bit dramatic. But then that’s the way it is these days.
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