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Old 02-03-2019 | 07:39 AM
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I made about 10k less in 2018 than I did in 2017. My Fed refund was about $1500 less this year, and my Georgia state refund was about 50% less this year than last. I wonder why Georgia changed so much?
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Old 02-03-2019 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 6daysontheroad
On 2nd year pay, single income family, no AMT - my effective tax rate is increasing by about 4%. Every situation is different, but for me, losing the personal exemptions is a hit.
I think you are missing the point. Of course your rate went up...you prolly doubled your income...with a graduated income tax, your top end dollars fall into a higher bracket. If we are discussing the new tax laws as opposed to the old ones, the only valid approach is to keep the income constant and input it into the 2 different tax codes

IOW...put your probation w2 into the 2018 tax program an report back if u care to on whether it went up or down
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Old 02-03-2019 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
I made about 10k less in 2018 than I did in 2017. My Fed refund was about $1500 less this year, and my Georgia state refund was about 50% less this year than last. I wonder why Georgia changed so much?
Refund numbers mean nothing because of different schedules of employer withholding year to year. Look at 1040 (and state equivalent) for the line “total tax” (line 60). Take your earnings (line 22) divided by this line and compare YOY. If the percentage went down this year, trump’s tax plan did you a solid.
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Old 02-03-2019 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
I think you are missing the point. Of course your rate went up...you prolly doubled your income...with a graduated income tax, your top end dollars fall into a higher bracket. If we are discussing the new tax laws as opposed to the old ones, the only valid approach is to keep the income constant and input it into the 2 different tax codes

IOW...put your probation w2 into the 2018 tax program an report back if u care to on whether it went up or down

I wish I doubled my income. But, I enjoy dropping trips too much for that. For brevity and the fact it's a public forum, I didn't include information on that many variables. Suffice it to say, because my itemized deductions were already above the new standard deduction amount in both years, missing out on the exemptions isn't good for me. I'm glad so many others have gotten a benefit, though, and I'm surely not hurting. So, no complaints, just an anecdotal piece of data to throw out there.
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Old 02-03-2019 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Yep. Simple flat tax on a postcard. (Get rid of deductions, too.)
Even when you showed people back then that in their particular situation they'd save more (in many cases way more) they were still against it because of the percieved mental addiction to their emotionally sacred mortgage interest deduction (wich also helps pump up real estate bubbles that later crash).

Way too many people (voters) would rather pay more at the end of the day than lose the perception of their plethora of savvy deductions. There's not much you can do with that intelectually.
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Old 02-03-2019 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I agree it would be too simplistic. There has to be a way to define "income:" whether it be from an employer, self-employed, dividend, interest. Once it's defined it should all be taxed at the same rate (perhaps some gradation for higher incomes.)

As far as simplification goes, we can start with getting rid of ...

Mortgage interest,
Charitable contributions,
Depreciation.
Ironically, income is and has been defined for a very long time but, for Federal Tax purposes, the IRS and tax lawyers always turn to the touchstone case Commr. v. Glenshaw Glass Co., 348 U.S. 426 (1955), which is probably the most important case in American tax law in that it defined "income" quite broadly. Glenshaw Glass established that income is:

"Any undeniable accession to wealth,
which is clearly realized by the taxpayer, over which the taxpayer has complete dominion."

If you paint a farmer's barn and the farmer pays you for that service with meat from half a cow, the value of the meat is income.

The issue(s) revolve(s) around what part and how much of that income is either exempt or deductible under the Federal Tax code. That's where the CPAs and tax lawyers make their $$$. 😁
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Old 02-03-2019 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Yep. Simple flat tax on a postcard. (Get rid of deductions, too.)
I agree. Via a Constitutional amendment however.
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Old 02-03-2019 | 09:22 AM
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Holy carp, how are some of you guys getting your taxes done already? I have 1099s that won't arrive until the end of Feb.
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Old 02-03-2019 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
I agree. Via a Constitutional amendment however.
Right, and the 16th has to be repealed for that and/or any VAT scheme, otherwise we'll end up with both. Good luck getting that past the class warriors and social engineers though.
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Old 02-03-2019 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Not correct.



All gone at the federal level, but all of those business expenses are still deductible at the state level in certain states, including CA, AL, AR, HA, IA, MN, NY and maybe others.
Good point, I tend to focus on federal
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