717 phase out?
03-18-2019, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
Riding the JS a few days ago, the captain (an LCA) was saying that he thinks the 717 will be phased out in the next 6 years due to leases expiring and fleet plans shifting. Any truth or plausible scenario where this is true?
I know DL doesn’t own them, but they usually operate an older fleet historically.
I know DL doesn’t own them, but they usually operate an older fleet historically.
03-18-2019, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
In a LUV SEC filing a while back, the remaining note was something like $17 million per plane after 2025. No way Delta would pay that with the price of a new A220 being less than $30 million.(number from the Boeing lawsuit)
There may be a very realistic price point by then for most of them that would still entice DL to keep them.
03-18-2019, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I'd agree with that as long as that price holds. But what will the pricing effect be of that many 717's instantly dumped on the market? I doubt the few existing 717 operators will have anywhere remotely close to the demand level to make an upward dent in the pricing power of those very used, very orphaned planes. Sure Hawaiian may want a few and the occasional micro ULCC somewhere, but not nearly 100 of them.
There may be a very realistic price point by then for most of them that would still entice DL to keep them.
There may be a very realistic price point by then for most of them that would still entice DL to keep them.
I could see these being earmarked in a 737/797/etc order in the future. Having said that, direct from the horses mouth these are PLANNED to be out of service in 2025. Just like the MD88 fleet was supposed to wind down by the end of 2017. So the “we are parking them in 3-4 years” is not accurate per the base visit presentation in Dec/Jan.
This would be a good thing to cover in one of your skyhub videos if any of you use that (I do not).
03-18-2019, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The engine manufactures are backing out of the 797, Rolls is out, so is GE, Pratt says maybe a GTF at 45k lbs, but not till 2030ish. The engine is too expensive to produce.
I think Delta is done with Boeing for a while.
I think Delta is done with Boeing for a while.
03-19-2019, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I'd agree with that as long as that price holds. But what will the pricing effect be of that many 717's instantly dumped on the market? I doubt the few existing 717 operators will have anywhere remotely close to the demand level to make an upward dent in the pricing power of those very used, very orphaned planes. Sure Hawaiian may want a few and the occasional micro ULCC somewhere, but not nearly 100 of them.
There may be a very realistic price point by then for most of them that would still entice DL to keep them.
There may be a very realistic price point by then for most of them that would still entice DL to keep them.
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