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Old 04-16-2019, 11:24 AM   #1  
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Default Before the open bell action on swap board

As I venture into new territory of trying early swap/drop transactions, I'm wondering what the limitations are during the monthly bid award process. Yesterday, not long after I looked at my own May "A" results, I took a look at the Pilot Swap Board and found some captains already had May swap/drop requests on the Board. To be clear, no "B" results had been posted and captains (me at least) were not yet visible in iCrew (nor are they as I write this). So just for grins, I tried to post a pairing for pick-up, via the "type-in" option. The system response indicated that the specified pairing number was not on my schedule and therefore I could not offer it to other pilots. Similar situation today; A awards out, but not Bs, and even more swaps/drops posted on the Board. So I tried to post again, and my submission was accepted. There is another pilot offering a "just take" pairing that I'm interested in. Would the system allow me to pull the trigger right now? My worry over making an attempt at the moment is the caveat regrading ""no schedule is final until posted in DBMS," as in maybe my final, final iteration of bid award could have a conflict with what I try to pick-up, which could create a huge cluster-f if the Pilot Swap Board placed a pairing on my schedule prior to the regular bid result posting to DBMS. So if my questions are not clearly inferred by the preceding rambling: 1) is it normal to be able to enter a Swap Board post before your schedule shows up in iCrew? 2) What happens if you try to act on a swap or drop before schedules appear in iCrew? 3) If so, are there any protections against conflict if changes appear between the original Crew Resources Wide Report and the iCrew final version?

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As I venture into new territory of trying early swap/drop transactions, I'm wondering what the limitations are during the monthly bid award process. Yesterday, not long after I looked at my own May "A" results, I took a look at the Pilot Swap Board and found some captains already had May swap/drop requests on the Board. To be clear, no "B" results had been posted and captains (me at least) were not yet visible in iCrew (nor are they as I write this). So just for grins, I tried to post a pairing for pick-up, via the "type-in" option. The system response indicated that the specified pairing number was not on my schedule and therefore I could not offer it to other pilots. Similar situation today; A awards out, but not Bs, and even more swaps/drops posted on the Board. So I tried to post again, and my submission was accepted. There is another pilot offering a "just take" pairing that I'm interested in. Would the system allow me to pull the trigger right now? My worry over making an attempt at the moment is the caveat regrading ""no schedule is final until posted in DBMS," as in maybe my final, final iteration of bid award could have a conflict with what I try to pick-up, which could create a huge cluster-f if the Pilot Swap Board placed a pairing on my schedule prior to the regular bid result posting to DBMS. So if my questions are not clearly inferred by the preceding rambling: 1) is it normal to be able to enter a Swap Board post before your schedule shows up in iCrew? 2) What happens if you try to act on a swap or drop before schedules appear in iCrew? 3) If so, are there any protections against conflict if changes appear between the original Crew Resources Wide Report and the iCrew final version?

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Just plug the trips or trips into the legality tracker under swap with the pot and see if there is a issue.
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You can post early but it wonít let you pick up or swap until schedule actually out.
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You can post early but it wonít let you pick up or swap until schedule actually out.
To add on to this, Iím betting you can put them in almost anytime you want but the next monthís drop, swap, white slips donít start processing until the 20th of the preceding month.

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To add on to this, Iím betting you can put them in almost anytime you want but the next monthís drop, swap, white slips donít start processing until the 20th of the preceding month.

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Swap board becomes active as soon as schedules are released in DBMS.
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Swap board becomes active as soon as schedules are released in DBMS.
You are talking about swap board between pilots, Iím talking about PCS.

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You can post early but it wonít let you pick up or swap until schedule actually out.
Not sure how. I tried last month and it would not let me. You can only post trips that are yours (as verified by iCrew) and if your schedule is not in iCrew, itís not yours yet.
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Not sure how. I tried last month and it would not let me. You can only post trips that are yours (as verified by iCrew) and if your schedule is not in iCrew, itís not yours yet.
Ok, a little early. Hours not days. Not sure if itís when B wides come out or when they start uploading schedule, but during the time when you get Ďdisplay of future schedule inhibitedí or whatever, you can post on the pilot to pilot swap board, but you can not pick up yet.
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You have to acknowledge your trips in icrew then they are yours to do with as you like. PCS runs start on the 20th 0700. You can preload requests prior though. Swap board always works.
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You can post early but it wonít let you pick up or swap until schedule actually out.
This above is correct. The question becomes, HOW early can you post, and how do you know exactly WHEN schedules are actually "out" (posted in DBMS)? As to the first, it seems only a short while (maybe a matter of a short number of hours?). As to the second, it seems to be a matter of repetitive diligence in trying...

BTW, there is a new service available to Notify you when a trip meeting your criteria hits the PSB. Check out advantsem dot com
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