Chairman’s Letter
05-25-2019 | 08:22 AM
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So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years
and the cash balance plan?????
And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?
This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"
I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years
......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years
and the cash balance plan?????
And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?
This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"
I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years
......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unityI’d say, don’t put the cart in front of the horse yet though, as we just started negotiations so it’d be hard to answer any of your questions.
05-25-2019 | 08:25 AM
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So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years
and the cash balance plan?????
And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?
This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"
I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years
and the cash balance plan?????
And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?
This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"
I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years
......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity
05-25-2019 | 09:07 AM
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So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years
and the cash balance plan?????
And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?
This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"
I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years
and the cash balance plan?????
And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?
This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"
I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years
......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unityHave you ever looked at the age and seniority number of all the MEC, admin and negotiators?
05-25-2019 | 11:30 AM
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Jerry,
Would that mimic the same age and seniority of the MEC and negotiators on TA1? Yea, same, same as I thought. How'd that work out for TA1? My best Alfred E. Neumann imitation......"What, me worry"?
So, since TA1 had no retro(because it was "early")....how would all the "ambivalent" guys feel if that got voted "IN" as opposed to being voted "DOWN". Something like that is a distinct possibility if 2500 guys approaching retirement vote en masse for a POS because no "retro" policy has been formulated during the quiet times( you know, when it's not needed).
Macht nichts to me, I won't be living under it for 20-30 years. Kinda surprised at the ambivalence of the younger guys, I see this only going sideways or neutral for them, there is no upside.
Would that mimic the same age and seniority of the MEC and negotiators on TA1? Yea, same, same as I thought. How'd that work out for TA1? My best Alfred E. Neumann imitation......"What, me worry"?
So, since TA1 had no retro(because it was "early")....how would all the "ambivalent" guys feel if that got voted "IN" as opposed to being voted "DOWN". Something like that is a distinct possibility if 2500 guys approaching retirement vote en masse for a POS because no "retro" policy has been formulated during the quiet times( you know, when it's not needed).
Macht nichts to me, I won't be living under it for 20-30 years. Kinda surprised at the ambivalence of the younger guys, I see this only going sideways or neutral for them, there is no upside.
05-25-2019 | 01:07 PM
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Jerry,
Would that mimic the same age and seniority of the MEC and negotiators on TA1? Yea, same, same as I thought. How'd that work out for TA1? My best Alfred E. Neumann imitation......"What, me worry"?
So, since TA1 had no retro(because it was "early")....how would all the "ambivalent" guys feel if that got voted "IN" as opposed to being voted "DOWN". Something like that is a distinct possibility if 2500 guys approaching retirement vote en masse for a POS because no "retro" policy has been formulated during the quiet times( you know, when it's not needed).
Macht nichts to me, I won't be living under it for 20-30 years. Kinda surprised at the ambivalence of the younger guys, I see this only going sideways or neutral for them, there is no upside.
Would that mimic the same age and seniority of the MEC and negotiators on TA1? Yea, same, same as I thought. How'd that work out for TA1? My best Alfred E. Neumann imitation......"What, me worry"?
So, since TA1 had no retro(because it was "early")....how would all the "ambivalent" guys feel if that got voted "IN" as opposed to being voted "DOWN". Something like that is a distinct possibility if 2500 guys approaching retirement vote en masse for a POS because no "retro" policy has been formulated during the quiet times( you know, when it's not needed).
Macht nichts to me, I won't be living under it for 20-30 years. Kinda surprised at the ambivalence of the younger guys, I see this only going sideways or neutral for them, there is no upside.
In my opinion, we will make major gains across the board. In just 36 months Delta will be making $7 Billion annually from its new deal with American Express.
There is enough money times 10 for the gains we will attain.
Our younger pilots will benefit greatly. Higher value of vacation day, min day, training day, per diem, hourly rates, retirement, insurance, fix reroute, deadhead, scope, etc.
Seems to me you are trying to create I divide and deliver us for less to management. I hope I am wrong.
05-26-2019 | 04:46 AM
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So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years
and the cash balance plan?????
And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?
This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"
I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years
and the cash balance plan?????
And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?
This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"
I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years
......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity
05-26-2019 | 05:04 AM
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Yes, I would have. I would vote for TA1,(and I suggest almost all the other 2500 guys nearing retirement would too) because with no retro plan formulated, I (they)can't afford the "stand your ground" of turning down TA1 for a better TA2.....at some date in the future.
Viola.....a crappy contract comes to fruition, much to the angst of the more junior pilots, and they're left scratching their heads going, " who woulda thought that was gonna happen"?
A TA that was gonna fail 55%-45% will now pass by about 55%-45% because they can't stand the risk of a long drawn out re-negotiation possibly leading to the scenario I outlined.
Clear now?
Viola.....a crappy contract comes to fruition, much to the angst of the more junior pilots, and they're left scratching their heads going, " who woulda thought that was gonna happen"?
A TA that was gonna fail 55%-45% will now pass by about 55%-45% because they can't stand the risk of a long drawn out re-negotiation possibly leading to the scenario I outlined.
Clear now?
05-26-2019 | 05:16 AM
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We all just share our opinions here.
In my opinion, we will make major gains across the board. In just 36 months Delta will be making $7 Billion annually from its new deal with American Express.
There is enough money times 10 for the gains we will attain.
Our younger pilots will benefit greatly. Higher value of vacation day, min day, training day, per diem, hourly rates, retirement, insurance, fix reroute, deadhead, scope, etc.
Seems to me you are trying to create I divide and deliver us for less to management. I hope I am wrong.
In my opinion, we will make major gains across the board. In just 36 months Delta will be making $7 Billion annually from its new deal with American Express.
There is enough money times 10 for the gains we will attain.
Our younger pilots will benefit greatly. Higher value of vacation day, min day, training day, per diem, hourly rates, retirement, insurance, fix reroute, deadhead, scope, etc.
Seems to me you are trying to create I divide and deliver us for less to management. I hope I am wrong.
The one thing I do know is you are very intelligent. You did not post this by mistake. It was posted intentionally and you knew it was wildly incorrect to claim it was 10 times the improvements we are asking for in the contract. The other strange thing is that if the 10 times the contract cost statement were correct you suggest we will obtain 700 million in contractual improvements. I understand the opener was closer to 2 billion.
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05-26-2019 | 05:26 AM
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Just to clarify but I think you know this. delta predicts up to 7 billion in revenue by 2023. That is a increase of 3.5 billion from current revenue generated. Those numbers however are not profit. There are large costs associated with the program. Using a typical 15% return the 3.5 billion should up Delta’s profit 525 million dollars a year. That’s a massive increase but does not sound as good as your 7 billion number. Stating they will be making 7 billion is flat out incorrect. Revenue is not profit.
Love you predictable attempt to water it down for management.
05-26-2019 | 05:35 AM
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Edit: I will help you out a bit. Here is one of the better explanations of the deal. It does say profit margins could approach 50% so my 15% is in error. Still that’s a increase of 1.8 billion not the 7 billion you claim.
https://skift.com/2019/04/10/delta-e...-2023-but-how/
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