The likelihood of full retro depends on how far past the amendable date a contract is signed. Less than a year it’s very likely, 1 to 2 years less likely, over 2 unlikely. It also can hinge on who the mediator feels is the reason for the delay.

 

I couldn’t disagree more. You are stuck in the past.

Any agreement, no matter time it took to negotiate, without full retroactive pay would be destroyed by MEMRAT. 90%/10%.

Sailing Delta will be getting $7 Billion each and every year from the American Express deal.

They can afford retro my friend.

 

You don’t know this. Another wrong guess made on the forums.

 

However virtually 100% historically correct. You know what they say about history!

 

I agree with your last sentence, but depending on the negotiating stance I don't think retro is unlikely beyond 2 years. I do believe a drawn out negotiation does impact what that "full retro" looks like. IIRC, the last SWA deal reflected this. They got "full retro", but years 1 and 2 beyond the amendable date were small raises that the retro was based on and the bulk of the raise they were going to see at date of signing occurred in the most recent yearly step. Now they paid everyone out in full on it, but the retro for the first couple of years was tiny compared to the raise they were getting. I do not recall the exact numbers, but it was like getting a 20% raise after negotiating for 4 years (3 past the amendable date) with year 1 at 3%, year 2 at 4% and year 3 at 12%. They didn't get 20% all the way back to the amendable date.

 

Y’all need to listen to this guy. I made a crap load shorting oil when he predicted it was going to be down to $10 a barrel and got a great deal on a mortgage on his prediction that Anderson would be back the “next day” with a new deal.

 

Exactly. Anything is possible of course, but say you get 30% over 4 years and it takes you 4 years to get there, the likelihood of a single check that large being written is not great IMO.

At least on social media, it seems like the focus is QOL, scope,and retirement anyway. There isn’t really any retro for most QOL items, (you will never get those reroutes or C+ seats back) scope, and even retirement issues can become tricky since people are leaving the list during the negotiation.

And before anyone starts in like I am saying I want a “quick deal” that is NOT what I am saying. I am saying there is a counter argument to the “as long as it takes” segment (how long is long?) of the pilot group that think there is going to be a perfect TA if we negotiate to infinity.

 

He's cried wolf with exuberance and flair so many times that he has unfortunately diminished his credibility. Nobody gets it right all the time, but every proclamation can't be the "best I've ever seen" or "historic" or whatever the overstated adjectives of the day are. He makes some very good points that I agree with, but they get lost among the other exaggerations. He is right that Delta can afford it.

 

Sailing

Do you think the industry has changed at all?

Would you please list the Delta profits and revenue for the last 30 years?

Never mind, we all know the answer.

No Delta pilot would ever vote for a contract without full retro. And this MEC would never send us one.

 

So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years

and the cash balance plan?????


And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?


This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"


I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity