Notification time for training
06-08-2019, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
I guess I am missing something in your rant. When you finish qual training, "they" (OE planners) can put a trip where ever so long as it is FAR117 compliant. Shadow bidding has zero effect on that. Shadow bidding is solely for pay purposes. You are getting paid the greater of the OE trip or the shadow trip when the two touch. If they put OE on that doesn't touch your shadow trip, then you are getting paid for the OE trip as well as the shadow trips. Some people like that extra pay.
Now, would it be nice to have the ability to place a few OE Golden Days on your sked? Sure. Maybe C2022 will get that for us. But, till then, it is what it is.
Now, would it be nice to have the ability to place a few OE Golden Days on your sked? Sure. Maybe C2022 will get that for us. But, till then, it is what it is.
The company spends less money if they put the OE trip on top of a shadow trip, so they try to do that. He bid so that a shadow trip was on top of days he wanted off. Since he was asking the company to essentially pay him extra (since overlap would be greater of the two, not both) they balked and offered to accommodate him if he gave up the extra pay.
In other words, the company pays you a premium if they put an OE trip outside of your shadow trips so while they can put them anywhere, it's a bad idea to have a shadow trip on days you want off.
06-08-2019, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This is one of biggest screw jobs we have. Last time I had training, it started with 4 days left in bid month. Those 4 days of training paid 10 hours. I still had to bid full schedule that month with remaining days.
The next month, I finished training a few days before Thanksgiving. I asked for Thanksgiving off in icrew (there's a place to request OE days off). I then called ALPA about shadowbidding. I bid to work everyday and max out my schedule since I wouldn't be flying trips anyway. When it came time for OE, planner called me and said my options were to work Thanksgiving or I could have it off, but if I had it off she would PD my shadow trip that touched that day and I would lose the shadow trip pay. I elected to do that as it was only a 2 day trip. My 83 hour line dropped to 72:30. Alpa never told me they could drop shadow trips on days you wanted off. Here's the kicker. They are still allowed to assign OE trips on days where you have no shadow trips, but I hear they try and keep OE trips in the shadow footprint.
Good luck
The next month, I finished training a few days before Thanksgiving. I asked for Thanksgiving off in icrew (there's a place to request OE days off). I then called ALPA about shadowbidding. I bid to work everyday and max out my schedule since I wouldn't be flying trips anyway. When it came time for OE, planner called me and said my options were to work Thanksgiving or I could have it off, but if I had it off she would PD my shadow trip that touched that day and I would lose the shadow trip pay. I elected to do that as it was only a 2 day trip. My 83 hour line dropped to 72:30. Alpa never told me they could drop shadow trips on days you wanted off. Here's the kicker. They are still allowed to assign OE trips on days where you have no shadow trips, but I hear they try and keep OE trips in the shadow footprint.
Good luck
06-08-2019, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mispoken
Does the credit (all 17 hours) for doing the CBTs prior to training get applied upon completion? I'm trying to figure out how screwed I'm going to get with credit for July....
06-08-2019, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mispoken
Does the credit (all 17 hours) for doing the CBTs prior to training get applied upon completion? I'm trying to figure out how screwed I'm going to get with credit for July....
06-08-2019, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
It's pay only. Also the pay time is usually half the official run time.
06-10-2019, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Now, would it be nice to have the ability to place a few OE Golden Days on your sked? Sure. Maybe C2022 will get that for us. But, till then, it is what it is.
06-10-2019, 01:25 PM
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There is bad info in this thread on how the shadow period works. Not understanding how it works can be a 5 figure mistake. Read the contract and ALPA tools on bidding in a shadow period. Shadow time is incredibly lucrative.
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