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Old 10-15-2018, 10:38 AM   #1  
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I've heard a few different things. Does republic allow you to count 141 FTD sim time as total time? How about sim time from training at republic? And how much time do you get in the sim approximately
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Who prescribes the logging of flight time?

It's not your airline.

It's your logbook.

Have you read the regulation?
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Who prescribes the logging of flight time?

It's not your airline.

It's your logbook.

Have you read the regulation?
A few times, but I dont want to have it in my log book and show up to have them say it doesnt count
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Yes it does count towards your total time now. You must have it apart of an ABBI approved 141 college/class and have the statement of qualification for the sim. I believe it has to be a level 5 or above
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Be very careful about sim time. As previous poster said, the sim needs to be qualified by the FAA. This is a lot more involved of a process than "well my CFI told me to log it." If you log it, you need to have the sim's serial number as approved by the FAA in your log, and it must be at least a level 6 FTD or full motion sim. Then, on top of that, the sim time must be toward a specific lesson under 141. It's very complicated.

There's one APD with Republic that heavily scrutinizes sim time. If you're saying 141 time counts, you better have a mountain of documentation to back it up. FAA sim quals, lesson plans, etc. If you've got type ratings and claiming sim time, that's a whole heck of a lot easier to legitimize than FTD time in flight school. Don't get caught short on your checkride day. Just food for thought!
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Be very careful about sim time. As previous poster said, the sim needs to be qualified by the FAA. This is a lot more involved of a process than "well my CFI told me to log it." If you log it, you need to have the sim's serial number as approved by the FAA in your log, and it must be at least a level 6 FTD or full motion sim. Then, on top of that, the sim time must be toward a specific lesson under 141. It's very complicated.

There's one APD with Republic that heavily scrutinizes sim time. If you're saying 141 time counts, you better have a mountain of documentation to back it up. FAA sim quals, lesson plans, etc. If you've got type ratings and claiming sim time, that's a whole heck of a lot easier to legitimize than FTD time in flight school. Don't get caught short on your checkride day. Just food for thought!
Is there a reference I can use by chance?
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Is there a reference I can use by chance?
How did you get this FAR without knowing?

61.64(a)(2)

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2) Must be qualified and approved by the Administrator and used in accordance with an approved course of training under part 141 or part 142 of this chapter;
I’d get the FTD serial number and a copy of the FAA approval letter which should have been displayed on the outside of the unit.
Also a copy of the 141 syllabus and the lessons should coincide with what you have in your logbook.

You shouldn’t have to teach a CFI how to log but your logbook should read something like this:

Date/FTD#12345/ Jepp 141 syllabus # 123/ Lesson 4 completed.

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Appendix C to Part 141 - Instrument Rating Course
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b) For the use of full flight simulators, flight training devices, or aviation training devices -

(1) The course may include training in a full flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device, provided it is representative of the aircraft for which the course is approved, meets the requirements of this paragraph, and the training is given by an authorized instructor.

(2) Credit for training in a full flight simulator that meets the requirements of § 141.41(a) cannot exceed 50 percent of the total flight training hour requirements of the course or of this section, whichever is less.

(3) Credit for training in a flight training device that meets the requirements of § 141.41(a), an advanced aviation training device that meets the requirements of § 141.41(b), or a combination of these devices cannot exceed 40 percent of the total flight training hour requirements of the course or of this section, whichever is less. Credit for training in a basic aviation training device that meets the requirements of § 141.41(b) cannot exceed 25 percent of the total training hour requirements permitted under this paragraph.

(4) Credit for training in full flight simulators, flight training devices, and aviation training devices if used in combination, cannot exceed 50 percent of the total flight training hour requirements of the course or of this section, whichever is less. However, credit for training in a flight training device or aviation training device cannot exceed the limitation provided for in paragraph (b)(3) of this section.
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I don't put sim time in any other column in the logbook, than "simulator. I don't show it as total time, multi engine time, instrument time, or anything else. My simulator totals don't show up in any other column. It's there to record the training received, and nothing more.

Logging sim time is more like padding your logbook. You can log it; it's pilot time, technically, but personally I wouldn't log sim time as anything but sim time, and leave it out of your totals.
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I’ve logged Level D Full Monty sim time and only that.
I’ve got it down as TT and SIM time and dual received and that’s it.
I log recurrent as dual received only.
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Is there a reference I can use by chance?
CFR 61.159 (a)(6)
CFR 61.64 (a)(2)
AC 61-136B - **this is a bit more in depth than the FAR's. Read carefully. Pay close attention to where it mentions experience over tasks. They're two different things entirely.
Then there's some stuff buried in the FSIMS somewhere. Don't know exactly where, and too lazy to look. That's the APD's and examiner's guideline on certifying time.

If you plan on using the FTD time, I would bring so much documentation that it will be almost obnoxious for the APD to go through. Then still expect to be told it doesn't count. If you gather a bunch of documentation and it still doesn't look crystal clear to you, don't count it. If you aren't sure, contact training dept and ask for an interpretation. Better to be absolutely sure than uncertain when you get to checkride day. Speaking from experience...I had issues with sim time on my checkride day from previous work at a 142 school. Spent hours of anxiety and agony untangling the sim time mess.
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