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sailingfun 07-10-2019 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2850554)
How many jobs have you had that if you were scheduled to work an 8 hour day and the company came and said “Hey, you have to work 2 more hours” you were potentially punished for saying no.

I guess all I can say to that is you have not worked much in the real world.

UGBSM 07-10-2019 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 2850570)
Every job I’ve ever had. From washing dishes to unloading a truck at Kmart to flying for Uncle Sam. If my boss asked me to stay 2 hours extra for some reason and I said no thanks then there would definitely be ramifications.

What I’ve never had till now is a job where I could leave early and still get paid for work I didn’t do. All I have to do is fill out a form and talk to the duty pilot. I’ve done it more than once, it’s a total non event.

I've also been asked by my boss to work beyond the schedule at every job I've ever had.

But really, who cares if you are fatigued while washing the dishes? C'mon, so what if you are tired while unloading a truck at Kmart? And military flying? By definition we do things in the military that are unsafe, especially in combat.

But there is NO reason in civil airline flying to accept unreasonable risks like not being fit for duty at all times.

BobZ 07-10-2019 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2850554)
How many jobs have you had that if you were scheduled to work an 8 hour day and the company came and said “Hey, you have to work 2 more hours” you were potentially punished for saying no.

Most jobs. While the proximity of punishment may not be obvious....there will be a professional cost to not being open to going the extra step.

bluto13 07-10-2019 09:19 AM

I know a lot of us can’t accept this, but we are UNION worker bees, paid by the hour. How many hourly UNION jobs are expected to just stay late, without a premium compensation incentive?

ChecklistMonkey 07-10-2019 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by bluto13 (Post 2850792)
I know a lot of us can’t accept this, but we are UNION worker bees, paid by the hour. How many hourly UNION jobs are expected to just stay late, without a premium compensation incentive?

Depends what their contract says. Ours says you can do it. That's how unions work

notEnuf 07-10-2019 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2850795)
Depends what their contract says. Ours says you can do it. That's how unions work

And the FAA says it’s our choice. Any expectation the company puts on the extension is just that, an expectation. Not binding in any way.

Rooster435 07-10-2019 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 2850745)
I've also been asked by my boss to work beyond the schedule at every job I've ever had.

But really, who cares if you are fatigued while washing the dishes? C'mon, so what if you are tired while unloading a truck at Kmart? And military flying? By definition we do things in the military that are unsafe, especially in combat.

But there is NO reason in civil airline flying to accept unreasonable risks like not being fit for duty at all times.

We agree completely. If not fit make the call. Not sure what all this angst is about. There is a process in place, it’s not nothing but it’s not unreasonable.

Nantonaku 07-10-2019 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2850686)
I guess all I can say to that is you have not worked much in the real world.

In the real world these extra two hours would be paid at time and half.

gloopy 07-10-2019 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 2851116)
We agree completely. If not fit make the call. Not sure what all this angst is about. There is a process in place, it’s not nothing but it’s not unreasonable.

Its a process that shoudn't exist in the first place though. It exists as a deterrant. And its also an opportunity to testify against yourself since you have to justify what you shouldn't have to justify.

sailingfun 07-10-2019 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 2851156)
In the real world these extra two hours would be paid at time and half.

Depending on the state and your job maybe or maybe not. If your saleried more than likely not. I never got a dime extra at my main college job.


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