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zippinbye 07-18-2019 10:00 PM

APD reset
 
I'm confused about when when my "old" APD expires, as evidenced by the many years APDs have gone unused for fear of inadvertently burning the ensuing APD by stepping over the cutoff. Yes, I keep mine as a silver bullet to use on a rainy day, especially because my anniversary date is in the summer, when I am always trying to maximize time off with family, if not make some extra pay. I've used only two ever, but earlier in the cycle and with satisfactory results, but with a lingering sense of anguish over an early pull of the trigger.

PWA Section 23 10 b says an APD will be granted if (among other conditions) "pilot has not been granted an APD since the first day of the bid period containing the last anniversary of his date of hire..."

I'm hung up on the definition of has not been granted, much like Bill Clinton belabored the meaning of the word "is!" As in, if I were granted an APD during the PCS run that occurs at 0700 on Saturday, July 20, the transaction (i.e. grant) clearly occurs prior to the first day of the bid period that contains my DOH anniversary. I was hired on August 4th. The pairing I would want to divest happens to depart on August 27.

My gut tells me the contractual language intent is to count the date of the rotation departure as the "set-point" for the APD utilization, but the language is not just unclear to me, but seemingly implicit that what counts is the date of execution. These are two points in time that can be weeks apart, and in this case five weeks, so I'm hopeful I can initiate the transaction this week relative to a considerably future rotation, and still have a new APD bestowed upon me soon. Is that just wishful thinking of my feeble legalese digestive system? Cause I want to use my APD that has been on the books for nearly 12 months, and have that APD replaced in short order for use in the next year.

I will be most appreciative of explanations of how the annual APD expiration/replenishment works.

full of luv 07-18-2019 10:29 PM

It renews the bid period that encapsulates your hire date.
IE if you wanna use one and had an aug hire date you have to use it in July bid period.
If you drop an aug trip you will not have another APD till next aug. sorry

TED74 07-19-2019 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by zippinbye (Post 2855508)
I'm confused about when when my "old" APD expires, as evidenced by the many years APDs have gone unused for fear of inadvertently burning the ensuing APD by stepping over the cutoff. Yes, I keep mine as a silver bullet to use on a rainy day, especially because my anniversary date is in the summer, when I am always trying to maximize time off with family, if not make some extra pay. I've used only two ever, but earlier in the cycle and with satisfactory results, but with a lingering sense of anguish over an early pull of the trigger.

PWA Section 23 10 b says an APD will be granted if (among other conditions) "pilot has not been granted an APD since the first day of the bid period containing the last anniversary of his date of hire..."

I'm hung up on the definition of has not been granted, much like Bill Clinton belabored the meaning of the word "is!" As in, if I were granted an APD during the PCS run that occurs at 0700 on Saturday, July 20, the transaction (i.e. grant) clearly occurs prior to the first day of the bid period that contains my DOH anniversary. I was hired on August 4th. The pairing I would want to divest happens to depart on August 27.

My gut tells me the contractual language intent is to count the date of the rotation departure as the "set-point" for the APD utilization, but the language is not just unclear to me, but seemingly implicit that what counts is the date of execution. These are two points in time that can be weeks apart, and in this case five weeks, so I'm hopeful I can initiate the transaction this week relative to a considerably future rotation, and still have a new APD bestowed upon me soon. Is that just wishful thinking of my feeble legalese digestive system? Cause I want to use my APD that has been on the books for nearly 12 months, and have that APD replaced in short order for use in the next year.

I will be most appreciative of explanations of how the annual APD expiration/replenishment works.

I think you meant to say "when does my APD reset?"

sailingfun 07-19-2019 03:31 AM

You also have 2 IVD’s so three silver bullets total.

FangsF15 07-19-2019 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2855538)
You also have 2 IVD’s so three silver bullets total.

Good point. IVD good for up to 4 days total, in no more than 2 instances. 23.H.11.b

zippinbye 07-19-2019 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2855531)
I think you meant to say "when does my APD reset?"

The thread title said exactly that, with less words, no?

If you are implying my overall post was too long-winded, you might not be wrong. I was just trying to get my thought process and question accurately conveyed. Thanks to everyone that provided insightful answers.

easternguy 07-19-2019 09:27 PM

when do IVD's reset?

Denny Crane 07-19-2019 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by easternguy (Post 2856014)
when do IVD's reset?

Uhhhh is this a trick question? Since they are individual VACATION days I’d say you would get them with the new vacation year...

Denny

Big E 757 07-20-2019 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2855538)
You also have 2 IVD’s so three silver bullets total.

I never thought the IVD would be much of anything when we added it into the current contract, but it’s turned out to be a very useful tool. I love the IVD!

FangsF15 07-20-2019 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by easternguy (Post 2856014)
when do IVD's reset?


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 2855589)
Good point. IVD good for up to 4 days total, in no more than 2 instances. 23.H.11.b

The beginning of the Vacation year, 1 April. 23.H.11.b


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