Some (mostly commuters) like certain 5 day trips. No one likes crappy "optimized" 5 day trips that report super early and release late unless a redeye. That's becoming the 5 day norm now. Why? The relentless clinical attempt to reduce credit by 1 minute by any means necessary. Its been a huge QOL degradation all so someone can hit a bonus target metric.

5 day trip with early show and late release is becoming the norm in which fleet and base?

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NYC 320B for Oct. 30+% 5 day trips and less than 10 commutable.

My goodness that's horrific

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I agree, that's miserable. I actually like 5 day trips but that's because basically all of them end very early on the last day, many times with a DH. Do three of those in a month and you've only got to commute 3 times for a decent 78 hours of credit.

Every narrowbody domestic trips of any length are trending heavily like that. CS actually bragged a while ago about how NYC717 got as high as 25% commutability on one end. :rolleyes:

Even in bases with low commuters no one wants to constantly report at 6AM and release at 11PM but that's how the "optimizer" (bonus generator) drives 1 minute of credit out as its prime directive.

I agree...this is unacceptable and another quality of life hit. 5 days blow....especially when they contain red eyes followed by 11 hrs of rest followed by early morning sign ins the last 2 days. Just more proof of how FAR 117 was another mgmt grab that Alpo turned their head and looked the other way. Mitigate fatigue....yeah right. What a joke.

Seems like this crap started when our new vp and gump took the helm. No worries though....send out an apology letter for the incompetence and all is forgiven.

5 days for OCT MSP 7ER, and they are almost all combined dom and int. 1 + 2 days are 6% of FO hours combined. 64% of captain hours is 5 days+ and 73% of FO hours is 5 days+

I thought this was a non-commuter base.


CA |# Trips| 15| 34| 46| 36| 98| 8| 14| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 251| average length 4.05

|% Trips| 6%| 14%| 18%| 14%| 39%| 3%| 6%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%|

|% Hours| 2%| 7%| 13%| 14%| 49%| 5%| 10%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%|



FO |# Trips| 15| 34| 49| 40| 100| 32| 26| 19| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 315| average length 4.61

|% Trips| 5%| 11%| 16%| 13%| 32%| 10%| 8%| 6%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%|

|% Hours| 1%| 5%| 10%| 11%| 35%| 14%| 13%| 11%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%|


Good luck building a line out of anything but long trips, #noweekends4U

SEA ER bid package for next month has trips that operate JFK-LAX then DHD LAX-OGG same day.