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tunes 09-09-2019 02:52 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2883645)
The two most coveted trips in the bid packages system wide were once OGG turns from LAX and the two day SFO trip. LAX-HNL-SFO, 11 hour layover SFO-HNL-LAX.
that sounds absolutely terrible.

gzsg 09-09-2019 03:43 AM
Originally Posted by GoneSailing (Post 2883621)
I’m about to enjoy HNL-LAX (DH) then fly LAX-ATL. ...
Brutal......

Eck4Life 09-09-2019 04:14 AM
A few months ago during a reroute, they tried to give us a double DH followed by a redeye from LAS to ATL. So SMF->LAX->LAS->ATL redeye all in one duty period. We were able to talk them out of it though:D

Spicy McHaggis 09-09-2019 05:43 AM
Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2883569)
Many are around 30 hours. 2 aren’t enough (60ish) and 3 are too many (90ish). That’s one of the reasons for the angst.


Yeah I could see that being the sweet spot for misery.

crewdawg 09-09-2019 05:56 AM
Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 2883697)
Yeah I could see that being the sweet spot for misery.
This happened a lot in certain categories last year (AtlM88 and Sea330 come to mind). Another one was 3x4 day trips weren't enough but 4x4 day trips was too much. With no other (shorter) trips left, guys could be forced into reserve lines or lines of less than 65 hours, though there are some nuances with how that all plays out. Some people don't mind this, but there should be some contract language to keep this from happening to > X percent of the bid group.

sailingfun 09-09-2019 07:06 AM
Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2883649)
that sounds absolutely terrible.
They were so terrible the lines with them went in straight seniority order. The only way I ever saw a OGG turn or the SFO trip was a sickcall.

tunes 09-09-2019 07:08 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2883752)
They were so terrible the lines with them went in straight seniority order. The only way I ever saw a OGG turn or the SFO trip was a sickcall.
thats the beauty of this airline, different stuff for different folks. I could be the #1 guy and I'd never bid a hawaii turn, that's way too much time in the cockpit 2 man imho.

gloopy 09-09-2019 08:09 AM
Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 2883557)
If you don’t mind someone from the outside looking in asking, these 5 day trips... how productive are they? Are you looking at doing two of them a month and done? Or three?


I’m pretty sure there would be a riot of my joint if we had five day domestic trips.
Many are about 26.5 (the min value). Combine that with non commutable (early/late) on both ends and even if you live in base that's one heck of a footprint. You'll always, always, always have to do more than 2, but like someone mentioned, sometimes in some months, 3 is too much. Carry-in/carry-out trips can make line construction even more fun.

sailingfun 09-09-2019 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2883756)
thats the beauty of this airline, different stuff for different folks. I could be the #1 guy and I'd never bid a hawaii turn, that's way too much time in the cockpit 2 man imho.
They were 3 man trips but no breaks on the L1011. They would be 3 man trips with a break on the 767.


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