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FL370esq 09-07-2019 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 2883091)
Id like to know the sick call breakdown based on trip length. Id bet 5 days are the highest sick out rate.
And probably have the highest proportion of fatigue calls....

sailingfun 09-07-2019 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 2883091)
Id like to know the sick call breakdown based on trip length. Id bet 5 days are the highest sick out rate.
The company eliminated 5 day trips. We asked for them back.

saturn 09-07-2019 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2883110)
The company eliminated 5 day trips. We asked for them back.
Sorta. They, per their own words, removed 5-days temporarily for testing. Are you saying that's not true?

The pilot group never demanded 100% elimination, nor for a restoration to be a high ratio of trips. The vast majority of guys who bid them, are commuters. Yet the bases with disproportionate commuters seem to be the ones with highest proportion of 1 & 2 days, while the bases with a lot of local guys get a ton of 4 & 5 days.

80ktsClamp 09-07-2019 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2883076)
Actually the Oct ALV is 82:30! 51% of the trips are 4 or 5 day. The real problem other than the high ALV is that 26% of the trips are 5 day trips. Ridiculous.

For those that wish to see a detailed breakdown of trips by length and percentage of total trips , check out the tables in the bid packages that start around page 23.
I mistyped... yep! 26% 5-day trips in a base where most drive to work. So freaking dumb.

80ktsClamp 09-07-2019 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by saturn (Post 2883129)
Sorta. They, per their own words, removed 5-days temporarily for testing. Are you saying that's not true?

The pilot group never demanded 100% elimination, nor for a restoration to be a high ratio of trips. The vast majority of guys who bid them, are commuters. Yet the bases with disproportionate commuters seem to be the ones with highest proportion of 1 & 2 days, while the bases with a lot of local guys get a ton of 4 & 5 days.
Correct... there's always a handful of masochists that yell for things like 5 days or CDOs. That was the company's call to nuke 5 days... and now they've gone hard the other direction. PBS is really going to choke on this in my category.

sailingfun 09-07-2019 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by saturn (Post 2883129)
Sorta. They, per their own words, removed 5-days temporarily for testing. Are you saying that's not true?

The pilot group never demanded 100% elimination, nor for a restoration to be a high ratio of trips. The vast majority of guys who bid them, are commuters. Yet the bases with disproportionate commuters seem to be the ones with highest proportion of 1 & 2 days, while the bases with a lot of local guys get a ton of 4 & 5 days.
They were removed entirely post merger. We demanded them back. There was a second round of eliminating them and pilots wanting them back.

80ktsClamp 09-07-2019 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2883173)
They were removed entirely post merger. We demanded them back. There was a second round of eliminating them and pilots wanting them back.
The second round was only for a month as a test on staffing.

Viking busdvr 09-07-2019 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2883042)
ATL 320 A still is so short you can’t drop or move days off...

And the brilliant minds that be in OCT have the ALV still at 81 with 67% of trips as 4 or 5 days with 78% of the hours contained in those.

Looking forward to watching PBS gag on that again... :mad:
Same good deal in MSP....

80ktsClamp 09-07-2019 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by Viking busdvr (Post 2883189)
Same good deal in MSP....
It's (now) 51% of trips and 68% of the hours, with 26% of the trips being 5 days and 39% of the hours :eek:...

Not sure how I messed that up or if the bid pack data block was changed from when I first looked at it, but either way... I can hear PBS choking already. We've got another month to look forward to not being able to move days off.

Kjazz130 09-07-2019 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2883173)
They were removed entirely post merger. We demanded them back. There was a second round of eliminating them and pilots wanting them back.
You are misrepresenting what happened. It was specific to NYC320. The NYC crew wanted them back because of the large number of commuters. It is a consistent request to the RCC to limit 5 days to no more than 10%. But that is not the only problem. If 5 days are 10% and 4 days are 75% that doesn’t leave much of anything else. We need to have contractual language that gives the RCC some input or that gives a persentage if trips at each length with a +\-.


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