Originally Posted by NavyFlyer (Post 2884566)

Some of us have MBA’s and have participated in actual managerial decision making in our past (and present) lives. We understand “growth,” vs fleet renewal plans, and their differences.

You, on the other hand, aspire to be management and have been an airline pilot since college. This isn’t a knock on you, but just understand that some of us have WAY more experience than you can tell from an online forum.

The difference between us is that I actually know who you are. I’ve been told by actual members of our management (and recruitment) teams about you, and I’m not impressed.

Just because you can parrot the company line, doesn’t make you intelligent. It makes you a yes man, which doesn’t improve our airline. It just promotes group-think.


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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2884578)

That's a lot of writing just to say you have an MBA but zero experience making airline network decisions. I'm sure your MBA taught you despite having a very lucrative domestic market you should invest more into international markets that have razor thin markets at best against competitors that don't have lucrative domestic markets so they constantly invest in more efficient widebodies. That's brilliant asset allocation.

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Originally Posted by Chakerik (Post 2884581)

:confused: You have more experience and authority on the matter then him how?

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2884582)

Where in the world did you get that question from relating to my post?

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Originally Posted by Peoloto (Post 2884595)

He just wants to be our next shining social media STAR...ship Commander. Not sure the reasoning to aspire to that level. It’s interesting that he’s gone all in on ensuring he’s one of the most disliked pilots here. From the line, ALPA and management from the sound of it.

Originally Posted by NavyFlyer (Post 2884518)

Dude. No one is saying that JV’s are a bad thing. We just want an EQUAL percentage of growth on our big equipment.

If KAL or WestJet buys six 787’s, we should be purchasing 24 of them (we’re 4x their size). We want equal growth (percentage-wise) on big equipment. Help both pilot groups equally (not DISproportionally, as is DAL’s current practice).

How does this not resonate with one of our own!?!


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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2884535)

Just because another carrier is renewing their fleet on a different schedule does not mean Delta should. Korean's aircraft purchase was largely replacements for older aircraft. Delta keeps their airplanes around 30 years. Carriers like Virgin and Korean renew every 10-15 years.

When you don't have a fundamental understanding of airline economics and the status of yields in certain theatres you will get your clock cleaned by management everytime. If you want to beat management you have to be able to think and act like them. When you start of a debate with "dude" it shows you're more in tune with emotion vs the realities of the airline business

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Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2884626)

NavyFlyer points out WestJet buying (relatively) huge numbers of 787s and you decide to call it “fleet renewal??” Exactly which aircraft are they “renewing?”


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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2884639)

We are getting into the weeds now. WestJet is a Canadian LCC that has just started launching long haul routes. That business decision risk is up to their management team and BOD. Delta is the largest carrier across the Atlantic. You can’t expect Delta to grow the same as a start up Long Haul LCC. Stating WestJet bought 6 787s so we should by 24 is silly and economically unfeasible. Moreover, Delta bought 15 A350s and 35 330neos(which deliveries have been accelerated) as fleet renewal and growth. The only thing our Scope language protects with Westjet is our flying between the US and Canada.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2884676)

Will they get to throw our code onto their massive international expansion?