I think we all understand that the Narita hub is gone, as is that flying.

The way I understand it though, (which could be completely wrong) is that DALPA has been trying to modify our scope language to reflect the shift in flying and contain the growth of our JV partners at our expense, but management has been unwilling to do so.

I don’t want Delta to needlessly operate empty aircraft on unsustainable routes, but I also don’t like watching other airlines operate JV routes that we are capable of flying and watching our International flying decrease while our JV partners are taking delivery of shiny new wide bodies and flying our passengers around the globe.

If you believe our management, Korean out negotiated our management team and they want to do all the flying. We were lucky to hang on to any of it. That was the story they gave of China Eastern, and I believe Korean as well. If you came from the regionals, this is the same whipsawing game you saw there, only with bigger equipment. Korean, AF/KLM, Virgin crews are cheaper than Delta crews, so if the execs at the various airlines can get the flights done with cheaper crews, they all make more money. And I don’t know about you, but my profit sharing check isn’t nearly big enough to offset the loss of our wide body fleet for the last several years of my career. (Even if I had no hope of ever holding widebody A, I’d still feel the same way. I don’t want to sound like it’s all about me.)

The good news for you, if you have any desire to be a wide body pilot here some day, is that most of the pilot group aren’t as easily fooled.

You really need to check your sources. This combined with your company doesn't like the 350 posts are hilarious

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Bingo, and not to mention the low block hour floor agreed upon by previous admins without fighting for higher is what led to the precipitous fall in the first place. The company could do it, and thus they did.... and then some.

There is zero room for something as stupid as fixing deadhead for giving up wide body scope. I'd have to head over to chit chat to say the actual words I'm thinking in response to that. :D

No in don't think many understand that. Many are taking my posts as "giving up scope" as if the 2500 block hours in Japan are going to come back if we scream enough about it. If the Union is using the violation as leverage to improve JV equitable growth language that's another story but they haven't communicated that.

I'm not sure where you are getting believing management being out negotiated and Korean doing all the flying. USA-Korea flying is above JV minimums and growing significantly above it 2020

AF/KLM JV ASKs are near minimums but the JV flying has grown across the Atlantic along with Delta block hours. Moreover Delta is growing 15% in the UK next year. When you start to look at the facts it gets harder to justify the Korean Scope Violation as impactful on jobs vs just a technicality. If the combany loses the arbitration on the interpretation they'll simply ask where to send the check, something that could have been resolved months ago.
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2500 block hours USA-Japan are not coming back. Doesn't necessarily have to be Deadhead but the point is use it as leverage for something. Overplay the tough guy roll and you allow an arbitrator to control your destiny. Might end up with a $200 check.

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Gotta say I agree with Jerry on this one. Delta is an amazing company and our management team is smart and competent. We’re far ahead of United and American in many aspects. Yet some posters on here sing management’s praises to high heaven then with the same breath try to say they just “missed” a transpacific flight due to incompetence. Did they put an intern on checking JV compliance or what? We’re double-breasted skygods dang it and our management team is more than capable of complying with scope.:D They’ve run the numbers and just choose not to.

There is no reason this city pair could not have been operated with Delta metal. I would like to see the break down on KAL v DL code on this leg.

Network is just doing whatever works best for them without paying any mind to our PWA and banking on the fact that the system board doesn’t have the balls to award punitive damages and courts with smash the pilots if we engage in self help.... and the company’s read on the fecklessness of remedies available to labor is probably right.

I applaud the MEC for communicating clearly that the Company is out of compliance with our agreement as well as the promises made to the US DOJ.

To the first bolded comment, that was managements reason for why the Shanghai hub fell apart...China Eastern wanted to do all the flying. I believe they’ve made similar statements about how Korean Airlines wants to do all the flying. And that it’s difficult to maintain the required levels of international flying when you’re at the mercy of the hometown airline allowing you a lot of access to their hub. I didn’t read too closely because I was detecting an excuse early on. I could be wrong like I said in my earlier post. This was a couple years ago.

To the second bolded comment, why would management resolve an issue and send us a check months ago, when they don’t think they’ve done anything wrong? They think the Korean and Japan JV metrics are a cumulative, combined figure, and DALPA says they’re separate metrics, and both are independent numbers.

Delta’s network team is the best on the planet. This is not “incompetence.” This is “**** you.”

But HEY! Maybe Ryan could hold ER Capt. legitimately if the company complied with our agreement!

That’s how it feels too. I don’t think MANY people are taking the “Oops, didn’t see that one” seriously.