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11-23-2019, 08:05 AM

#1211

Trip7

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Originally Posted by tennisguru

Basically, in ATL for new hires:

320: Best cockpit, average flying, worst seniority/time to hold ATL

737: Worst cockpit, best flying, average seniority

717: Average cockpit, worst flying, best seniority

Also, in general the 737 and 320 trips are getting worse as the 88 regional style flying gets transferred more and more to those fleets.

Pick your poison!

Having flown the 717 and the 737, I'd say the cockpit are the same. Both have pluses and minuses. 717 System management is really modern but approach capabilities are limited. Vice versa for the 737. For anyone coming from a CRJ the 737 cockpit will seem spacious

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11-23-2019, 09:02 AM

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When all of us Maddog pukes finally leave, many by displacement within the year (supposedly), it might be a bit of bloodbath for the FO side of things in ATL. The specter of that event means a good idea today for a new hire could be a less good idea in a year when many of us are going to a new home in ATL. My point is to take the path now that will get you to ATL quickest (if that’s your first goal). But in the end, you may not be able to avoid more training events due to the waterfall effect of displacements even if you initially bid something other than the Maddog.

11-23-2019, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorbuc99

That’s no longer the case; it appears there were 16 unbind ATL320B slots off of this AE.

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Originally Posted by gatorbuc99

39 vacancies. 43 bid in but 20 bid out. Net 16 positions unfilled. What am I missing?

The company was trying to increase staffing in NYC and a lot of NYC pilots were trying to bid out, if they elected to not fill those openings to keep more pilots in NYC then those positions are not available for new hires as they were effectively canceled to potentially appear on another AE later.

11-23-2019, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Baradium

This would be true, but I think they awarded Atl 320 b positions all the way down to around 14,200 or so seniority which may mean that they ran out of bidders.

11-23-2019, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Baradium

Ahh, interesting. Can they do that? If that’s the case and you’re a junior NYC320B who’s seniority under this AE could have held ATL320B, but you were held back, then isn’t your seniority abrogated is they just elect to not award it to you and instead either new hires or 320Bs from other categories in subsequent AEs?

11-23-2019, 09:58 AM

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If you want ATL, bid ATL. If you get bounced in 6 months you will have the seniority to hold something in ATL but maybe not your first A/C choice. If there's no ATL available bid the most junior ATL aircraft (717) in another base so you can transfer in without training.

11-23-2019, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorbuc99

That’s no longer the case; it appears there were 16 unbind ATL320B slots off of this AE.

While it is semantics, there were no unbid ATL320B slots in this AE. The Company elected to only fill 43 of 59 total vacancies (39 published plus 20 contingent vacancies). As a result, there are no PWA 22.E.10 vacancies available to new hire classes.

11-23-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FL370esq

I see. So how do we know when positions are unbid and available for new hires vs unfilled and therefore, not? Is it the contingent vacancies that make the distinction?

11-23-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorbuc99

I see. So how do we know when positions are unbid and available for new hires vs unfilled and therefore, not? Is it the contingent vacancies that make the distinction?

We as outsiders won't know for sure but the ALPA auditors would. However, if you know someone who had a non-qualified bid in for, say, ATL320B and didn't get it and there would have been vacancies remaining based on posted vacancies plus contingent vacancies, then you have your answer.

11-23-2019, 12:05 PM

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Baradium

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They can elect to not fill contingent or posted vacancies, it's not abrogation of seniority because they can't simply offer those slots to new hires or someone junior to you. They didn't "hold you back" because they simply elected not to fill those positions at all at this time. If they want those positions they do have to post through an AE so you would still have the opportunity to bid on it them and they would still have to be actually awarded in seniority order. If their concern is making sure the new hires make it to NYC in a way that increases manning there I expect that they will likely elect to post those vacancies when they have a 365 AE available so they can delay the conversions leaving NYC.