Senior Leadership: Outsourcing is Cheaper
11-28-2019, 04:11 AM
#191
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Ok, looking at that chart AF/KLM combined are more than Delta. I know they are not a merged carrier but aren’t they essentially one company?
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11-28-2019, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
No that's not my argument, Delta is #1. I've already seen that chart Trip7 posted. I'm happy and proud that we fly as much as we do to Europe. I'm just giving rationality and context to the claim of "we're #1". It's a poor way to measure EU carriers individually compared to US airlines. That doesn't take away anything from us or them.
Realistically how many destinations could KLM from AMS fly to the USA+Canada vs a US Airline fly from multiple hubs and focus cities to the whole of Europe? Yet BA flies to 27 US cities, KLM 12. When including Canada and LatAm, BA has 52, KLM 35. I find that quite impressive since it's basically from 1 home airport.
Most European airlines have either a singular airport or just a few to launch flights to just USA & Canada. It's logical that a US airline would have more TATL flying just in the finite view of continent vs continent. How about IAG or AF/KLM, Norwegian Group, etc vs DL, UA or AA?
Realistically how many destinations could KLM from AMS fly to the USA+Canada vs a US Airline fly from multiple hubs and focus cities to the whole of Europe? Yet BA flies to 27 US cities, KLM 12. When including Canada and LatAm, BA has 52, KLM 35. I find that quite impressive since it's basically from 1 home airport.
Most European airlines have either a singular airport or just a few to launch flights to just USA & Canada. It's logical that a US airline would have more TATL flying just in the finite view of continent vs continent. How about IAG or AF/KLM, Norwegian Group, etc vs DL, UA or AA?
11-28-2019, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They have more transatlantic flying than Delta but that includes all their flights to Canada, South/Central America and the Caribbean.
11-28-2019, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Does the same chart include our flying to Africa/India/ME?
11-28-2019, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
In this regard I just read something about Norwegian Air cutting back a lot of their long haul flights to the US and elsewhere.
This could be good news if their scheme to cherry pick rules and regulations from various countries of convenience is failing.
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This could be good news if their scheme to cherry pick rules and regulations from various countries of convenience is failing.
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Their parent company is obviously the same and is the root of the problem...so in that regard their overall demise may be a welcome bit of karma for Bjorn Kjos’s skirting labor/tax/whatever laws with NAI. But not all Norwegian subsidiaries are the same. And specifically, the long haul/US flights are not (currently) part of the problem and are really no different than any other European airline.
And with regards to your 2nd paragraph, their scheme to cherry pick rules from various countries isn’t really failing, it’s their rapid growth and buying a ton of expensive airplanes they can’t consistently fill on leisure routes on seasonal markets with low ticket prices that’s causing their financial woes. If their business plan was a bit better and their growth more measured, their scheme may be a longer term threat. And if they go away, that’s not to say their scheme necessarily will if someone else revives it. Or if they were to keep NAI and liquidate the parent company or some of the other subsidiaries (kind of like Condor continues to exist while Thomas Cook ceased operations).
I’m certainly not defending Norwegian’s (NAI specific) labor practices by any means, but I do think it’s important to know the differences between NAI and the other Norwegian subsidiaries and who the threat is.
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