Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2938068)

While I rarely fly GS I hope you acknowledge that premium pay duty periods actually do go into the contractual staffing formula?

Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.

On the other hand last summer was a bit extreme.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2938068)

While I rarely fly GS I hope you acknowledge that premium pay duty periods actually do go into the contractual staffing formula?

Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.

Originally Posted by FlyWhite (Post 2938090)

I don't see this as a war, it's more both parties are starting realize a change needs to occur or next summer will be much worse. I personally believe even if they can get 1000 pilots trained by March they will still have a "hot" summer operation.

They have 1000's of guys who have been flying Delta lift at the regionals with more than enough experience. This is who could fill the void and train quickly and be less of a strain on the training department than OAL hires. There is a reason for American and United flows.

Delta will have to come up with their own flow synonym. Let's call it Regional Percolation. News is management is coming back to the table with Endeavor Air about this very topic next week.

Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 2938093)

No matter where the pilots come from the training footprint is essentially the same. I mean maybe a straight mil guy or corporate needs a few more hours of OE to adjust to airline ops but that's about it. We could sign a flow agreement tomorrow and that wouldn't do a thing to solve our manning issues.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2938068)

While I rarely fly GS I hope you acknowledge that premium pay duty periods actually do go into the contractual staffing formula?

Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.

On the other hand last summer was a bit extreme.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2938221)

This all results from our flexibility to do marketing's bidding. We will always be incorrectly staffed when we are reacting to the markets short term changes. This is actually a good thing. More frequent AEs would go a long way toward getting it closer to right. The costs will be incurred either in GS/IA or in training. I prefer GSs but to rely as heavily on them as was done last summer is unsustainable.