They still pay 777/787 rates to fly those transcons. Which last I checked was (352CA/240FO) United vs (296CA/202FO) Delta that's comparing what JR CA's/FOs can hold at DAL so no 76-4.... So basically a loss of 58k-38k a year, which as long as we keep getting PS we can make up. But we loose so much simply because we have less higher paying aircraft than our peers.

They also have global reserve which is a huge qol hit....

So do we, it's called a reroute...

What is global reserve? They can use an EWR reserve to cover a DEN trip?

False. I have buddies that are very senior WB FO’s that can easily hold NB CA at UAL.

Ask your ual buddies about it. From what I understand it's why a lot of people have been avoiding rsv on wb fleets (and why it goes so jr.). Have 3 days of availability but theres a 6 day trip? They can give it to you (vs being forced to do a greenslip here or breaking up the trip).

Basically you get a few days off a month that are hard days that they cant touch. 6 of em. But they can move the rest. No thanks to that .

That's my rudimentary understanding.

777 going down to 1st year guys at UAL. Great for them!


In 3 years on a WB, I've been rerouted twice. Once on a GS that got me home earlier than scheduled. Another time when DTW shut down due to being covered in a sheet of ice. We were notified before even getting ready and turn my layover from 24 hours in AMS to 48 hours. From chatting with my UAL buddies, global reserve is much worse. We want their WBs, but not their WB reserve rules.

One of those is an arguably simple fix in section 6. If UAL corrects to higher QOL reserve similar to ours, that'd be a pretty desirable fleet to fly.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say with these salary numbers, but comparing outliers to outliers, their 777 year-2 rate is $174, DL’s 767-400 rate is $165. Hardly a large disparity.

Comparing other outliers, how many 2-year captains does UA have? Delta also had a 4-month captain, but I’m not sure they got to keep their seat. All of the 2-year captains were able to hold on to a left seat as far as I know.

They have PS too you know. Yes, we have higher profit percent. But it's not like we grossed 14% more in PS than they did in 2019. I think theirs was close to 10%. And if they get paid 58k more in your example, then a few lower % could match match our PS sum total still.