Search

Notices

March Bid packages?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-04-2020 | 06:24 AM
  #11  
RonRicco's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 833
Likes: 5
From: Captain
Default

Standing by for “isn’t this a status quo violation?” In 3....2....1....
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 06:34 AM
  #12  
notEnuf's Avatar
Racketeer
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,248
Likes: 707
From: N60.4858 W149.9327
Default

Originally Posted by RonRicco
Standing by for “isn’t this a status quo violation?” In 3....2....1....
Well... if it goes past the contractual deadline, it’s a violation. And... the status quo has been to comply. So... nope, we don’t have status quo violations unless we make a formal complaint and it is deemed a violation by the NMB or a judge. Hence, the company never commits a status quo violation.
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 07:12 AM
  #13  
RonRicco's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 833
Likes: 5
From: Captain
Default

Originally Posted by notEnuf
Well... if it goes past the contractual deadline, it’s a violation. And... the status quo has been to comply. So... nope, we don’t have status quo violations unless we make a formal complaint and it is deemed a violation by the NMB or a judge. Hence, the company never commits a status quo violation.
I know all of the above, I figured that most would understand the sarcasm in that we are still at a time before the contract mandates that they must be published.
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 07:36 AM
  #14  
Roll’n Thunder
Community Influencer
15 Years
On Reserve
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,130
Likes: 549
From: Pilot
Default

What's the rush? Excited to see what level of crap the trip quality has sunk to this month?
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 07:56 AM
  #15  
notEnuf's Avatar
Racketeer
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,248
Likes: 707
From: N60.4858 W149.9327
Default

Originally Posted by RonRicco
I know all of the above, I figured that most would understand the sarcasm in that we are still at a time before the contract mandates that they must be published.
I just thought I'd preempt the whiners. I can't recall any status quo violation ever by any company. I could be unaware of them but I doubt it.
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 08:20 AM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
From: A350
Default

does anyone know how many jets are not flying...because of the china ground stop? my guess= the 4 a330-900's and 5 a350's. so my big question is on what markets could we re-deploy these jets?....DUBAI ? moscow...istanbul...
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 08:40 AM
  #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 1,034
Likes: 2
From: I got into this business so I wouldn't have to work.
Default

Originally Posted by astrojet
does anyone know how many jets are not flying...because of the china ground stop? my guess= the 4 a330-900's and 5 a350's. so my big question is on what markets could we re-deploy these jets?....DUBAI ? moscow...istanbul...
Orlando...
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 11:05 AM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,583
Likes: 16
From: Hoping for any position
Default

Originally Posted by notEnuf
Well... if it goes past the contractual deadline, it’s a violation. And... the status quo has been to comply. So... nope, we don’t have status quo violations unless we make a formal complaint and it is deemed a violation by the NMB or a judge. Hence, the company never commits a status quo violation.
Just to clarify, if I decide to fly no GSs this summer that’s a status quo violation because I did fly some previously? That is what I have heard on here.

Isn’t there a difference between status quo violations and contractual violations? For example, if for the last say 2-3 years bid packages were available on average the 2nd of every month. That’s not contractually required but it has become the status quo. Now, if there is a lasting change away from that wouldn’t that violate the status quo previously established?
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 11:29 AM
  #19  
RonRicco's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 833
Likes: 5
From: Captain
Default

Originally Posted by fishforfun
Just to clarify, if I decide to fly no GSs this summer that’s a status quo violation because I did fly some previously? That is what I have heard on here.

Isn’t there a difference between status quo violations and contractual violations? For example, if for the last say 2-3 years bid packages were available on average the 2nd of every month. That’s not contractually required but it has become the status quo. Now, if there is a lasting change away from that wouldn’t that violate the status quo previously established?
If you decide not to fly green slips then that is you decision. If there appears to be a concerted effort to quit flying overtime to pressure negotiations, then that would be a violation and would most likely trigger a lawsuit.

Random contract violations are not by themselves a violation of the status quo. The bid package issue (and by the way, there have been many instances over the years when not in negotiations where they have come out close to the deadline) or any other issue that is similar, would really need to have true “past practice” and most likely have the appearance of negative intent.

There would not be a leg to stand on in this case IMO as it is within the contractual time limit, there has been no violation, it is not past practice since it has occurred before and there most likely would be easy justification because of SARS part 2.
Reply
Old 02-04-2020 | 11:31 AM
  #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 12,484
Likes: 1,060
Default

Originally Posted by RonRicco
If you decide not to fly green slips then that is you decision. If there appears to be a concerted effort to quit flying overtime to pressure negotiations, then that would be a violation and would most likely trigger a lawsuit.

Random contract violations are not by themselves a violation of the status quo.
And to clarify, if you don't fly any and publicly state on social media and the company it's because of the negotiation, it is a violation of status quo
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
319wisperer
Frontier
9485
06-20-2019 11:31 AM
Stimpy the Kat
Kalitta Companies
77
12-03-2016 08:24 AM
CloudSailor
FedEx
96
10-17-2015 07:20 AM
cgull
United
127
04-05-2013 03:43 AM
Coffee Bitch
Cargo
115
05-23-2007 08:02 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices