I'm glad you bring up this point and I agree to have other employee's backs, however at what point does it stop? What if you actually witness what happened and the employee was so far out of line that it would be really hard to justify the action that occurred. Do you still, out of a sense of loyalty to the other employee group, take their side knowing full well that it was wrong? It has gotten to a point nowadays that if you don't automatically back any action that occurred then you didn't have their back.

Having your company ID visible on the aircraft while passengers are onboard is actually against company policy. Your company ID needs to be put away once passenger boarding begins.

As far as wings, yes...they must be on your outermost garment. If you see a F/A without wings all you have to do is ask them.

It's not about right or wrong. If you're their supervisor, go nuts. If you're a pilot, it's not your job to critique flight attendants. If you witness someone stealing, or behaving unethically, confront them, or you could face consequences yourself. If you don't think they're wearing their uniform correctly, just remember the golden rule and appreciate that they don't rat out every pilot for whatever infraction they see. It's not that complicated.

I guess I wasn't specific enough. I agree that the uniform infractions are the companies business, however the FAs need something to identify them as such. I'm not talking about breaking company policy. What I'm talking about is when there is a altercation between an FA and passenger and the FA was 100% in the wrong, and you witnessed what happened, but they expect you to have their back regardless. Do you still "have their back"?

If you feel that strongly against their actions then I would probably just say you didn't see or hear anything. I witnessed a captain literally throw trash at the cleaners once because he was upset about something and it was quite sad to watch. Cleaners called the tower, and next thing you know you have 3 of the managers for the cleaning company, 2 ACS managers, a tower rep, and 2 guys from the CPO on the plane trying to figure out what happened. Of course they asked us if we saw anything and we all said we have no clue instead of throwing him under the bus.

Yeah I'm not following you down that rabbit hole. Nothing good will come from the conversation.

The best reference I can use for this uniform issue is relating it to a police officer.
Uniformed officer (FA's in the purple uniform) easily identifiable and as a general rule catch less grief from the passengers,

Undercover officer but with badge showing that they are a cop (Black and White alternate uniform worn as directed with identifiable Delta inflight wings) Passengers understand and think it's just a different uniform,

Undercover cop with no badge showing, (white blouse/shirt and black pants no identifiable delta logo) mistaken for another passenger and sometimes leads to friction until the passenger figures out that it's an FA. Hopefully before the FA loses temper and wants the passenger off the flight.

In that situation, I'd have to tell the truth about what I saw. If I threw trash at a cleaner, I'd expect to be fired or severely disciplined for it. No excuse for that. This is about treating *everybody* we work with, including passengers and other employee groups with respect, so in your situation, unless I saw the entire exchange I'd probably just be quiet about it, assuming I didn't have all the information. If I was a witness to the whole thing, I'd be honest. And I'd expect no less from my coworkers if I behaved inappropriately. In my view, having each other's backs means helping to intervene and redirect a coworker *before* it gets out of hand, not by covering it up afterwards.

But this is an entirely different conversation from the uniform topic. How would you feel if a flight attendant started writing up any pilot wearing the overcoat without the uniform jacket underneath?:rolleyes: I'd expect them to mind their business.

yeah, i'd never advocate for lying.....thats literally one of the very few things that can get you fired.

I agree. This is about enough about uniforms for me. I just want to do my rotations and not have to do paperwork or talk to the CPO.

Exactly. And people that would throw trash at others sincerely deserve to be corrected.