Originally Posted by Denny Crane

That is quite a few air frames to cut loose. The 88/90 are gone. I expect some of the older 757/767er’s to be culled out too. But I expect quite a few of the others to go into storage for a year or two and then be gradually brought back depending on demand.

My concern was not that Delta would get rid of the 330 but what are those LAX 777 guys gonna do if/when the LAX 777 category goes away...hopefully management pulls their collective head out and offers a robust early out program.........yeah, I know, if pigs could fly.....but a fella can dream can’t he!?!

Denny

Originally Posted by gloopy

Except if they go that route (massive over reaction furloughs and plane/fleet retirements) they will hurt the company's performance and shareholder value and return on the other side far more than they will stick it to labor.

Originally Posted by Speed Select

That’s why they pay themselves the big bucks-to make these decisions. While I agree it might hurt in the long run, a slash and burn strategy may be more beneficial in the short term (cash).

We also don’t know what they have cooking with other stakeholders (vendors, suppliers, Airbus, private investment). I personally hope they have a pivotal plan that would have only been possible in a small window such as this crisis. As long as it benefits the company and our fellow pilots/employees.

Originally Posted by Funk

I’ve been watching the daily TSA screening numbers to see if/when traveling starts to improve (which is different than recover). Thursday through Saturday of this last weekend was up about 15% each day compared to the previous week, and Sunday was up 22%. It was still down over 2.35 million YOY, so there is a long way to go, but maybe a glimmer of hope.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

330 stays. A few 767's go. 757's are fixed up and sold. MD88/90 nearly all gone. Some 717's gone. The 777/320/737-800/717 on the bubble.

If the engines on the 717 had only been made by KIA/YUGO instead of RR/BMW

Originally Posted by gloopy

LOL really? You know but I'll play along. I guess. It seems like you think the (extremely obvious) answer is somehow going to be a set-up for your pending retort, which you just could have put out there for the sake of a smoother discussion, but for some reason you prefer a more dragged out format. Fine.

An early out saves money today by "furloughing off the top". It reduces top pay scale, 270 hour sick bank, 5 week vacation pilots and preserves much lower pay scale, sick and vacation pilots. Depending on severity it could either prevent furloughs or at least mitigate them. That's the "in general" savings. Specifically in this case, since widebody intl by all accounts will follow domestic recovery back to 2019 levels, it reduces incredibly high cost/incredibly low productivity targeted manpower resources. The savings are realized very quickly and without any initial cost outlay, while allowing a more ordely transition into the recovery than the traditional furlough to the bone stratedgy where the company carries the most expensive pilots for the longest time.

But you knew that. And we all knew you knew that. So now go ahead and say what you were wanting to say about it so we can discuss the issue.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Sooooo you don’t think there is going to be a fairly large, as in huge, displacement bid targeting a lot of widebody positions?

Frankly, at just under 50% in my category, I’m wondering if I will get displaced (based on how many 330’s have been taken out of service).

Denny

Originally Posted by Sobchak

A couple of months ago Delta announced they were paying $1 billion to a carbon footprint offset. Did they write the check already? If not, might be a good time to delay or renege on that deal. Anyone know how this is progressing?