New LOA coming up
#31
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Sick hours used at any time between March 13 through the end of the June 2020 bid period will be excluded for the purposes of Section 14 F. 2. and Section 14 F. 3.
Does that mean calling in sick doesn’t go towards the look back?
Does that mean calling in sick doesn’t go towards the look back?
#32
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LOA21 a good deal??? I guess I'm missing something here. Shouldn't this be up to Membership Ratification? This materially affects the pilot group right? Also how is LOA21 a good deal? We were about to be paid for what we were awarded (Apr), now who knows? Many more will be on reserve now=less money. While I empathize with the company on this, how many times have we been told "a contract is contract" when it benefits the company. There's a big difference between "leaning-in" and "bending over:...just saying.
#33
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My interpretation is that they still deduct the sick hours but you no longer need to provide a QHCP note if over 100 sick hours used in a 12 month look back or a DOC note if over 160.
#34
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#35
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In good times the company wants pilots to bend over to make it work, in bad times the company wants the pilots to make it work. The employees always get hit with the burden. Had the company paid down debt, paid cash for airplanes, saved cash, maybe, just maybe, a company this size might just get through this without even blinking. YES, demand drop-off is unprecedented, 40% decline in bookings, parking 300 airplanes, uncharted territory, no downplaying, but what many have been saying on this board, Delta (and United, AA, etc) could be in even better position, sorta like Apple, cash hoard, helps in lean times. Might not be sexy for stock price, but builds a solid foundation.
#36
In good times the company wants pilots to bend over to make it work, in bad times the company wants the pilots to make it work. The employees always get hit with the burden. Had the company paid down debt, paid cash for airplanes, saved cash, maybe, just maybe, a company this size might just get through this without even blinking. YES, demand drop-off is unprecedented, 40% decline in bookings, parking 300 airplanes, uncharted territory, no downplaying, but what many have been saying on this board, Delta (and United, AA, etc) could be in even better position, sorta like Apple, cash hoard, helps in lean times. Might not be sexy for stock price, but builds a solid foundation.
#38
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It’s like any other economic crisis (yes, don’t have my head in the ground, this is serious, but so have many other events in history), yet the employees have to take the burden. When you get hired at a seniority based job, you know the risks that come with being junior. Things can and will change very quickly. When I changed jobs after 10+ years in my previous job, I understood the risks, and BTW I am most certainly not out of the woods, sweating a bit. We as an aviation pilot group have only gone backwards in a NET/COLA basis. This crisis will be followed by another crisis, and so forth. At some point in time it is time to stand against the Kirby’s, the Randalls, the Parker’s, etc, and let them do what they will do. We are worth what we are worth, period.
Before anyone lambasts me, saying I don’t know what it feels like to loose your job and be on the brink of not being able to put food on the table for your kids, I saw that first hand with friends, hit very close to home. I get it. But what is the “happy medium”?
#39
It’s like any other economic crisis (yes, don’t have my head in the ground, this is serious, but so have many other events in history), yet the employees have to take the burden. When you get hired at a seniority based job, you know the risks that come with being junior. Things can and will change very quickly. When I changed jobs after 10+ years in my previous job, I understood the risks, and BTW I am most certainly not out of the woods, sweating a bit. We as an aviation pilot group have only gone backwards in a NET/COLA basis. This crisis will be followed by another crisis, and so forth. At some point in time it is time to stand against the Kirby’s, the Randalls, the Parker’s, etc, and let them do what they will do. We are worth what we are worth, period.
Before anyone lambasts me, saying I don’t know what it feels like to loose your job and be on the brink of not being able to put food on the table for your kids, I saw that first hand with friends, hit very close to home. I get it. But what is the “happy medium”?
Before anyone lambasts me, saying I don’t know what it feels like to loose your job and be on the brink of not being able to put food on the table for your kids, I saw that first hand with friends, hit very close to home. I get it. But what is the “happy medium”?
#40
Not panicky at all, I don't particularly care for the rebid, but it's not the end of the world either...I may go from 73 hour reserve line to a 72 hour reserve line. Other than that, the LAO seems like a win with little downside.
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