gloopy

I don't and never cared who would pay for it. There is a very valid arguement that the USMCA with its significantly higher labor cost provisions will be far in excess of the wall cost. He also threatened them with tarrifs and they started doing the lions share of our border patrol work which was far more effective than us anyway because of the insane "catch and release" system with fake court dates into the future no one was ever going to show up for. So its more accurate to say we will double the border patrol and make Mexico pay for it. I think it should have been paid for with a combination of remittence taxes and a small reduction in the numbers of F35s were getting. A couple dozen fewer wouldn't effect the unit cost much at all and all of that savings could have came out of our grossly excessive defense of Europe. I understand what you're trying to by throwing political red mead into the discussion but its not going to work.

The cost of a coast to coast wall is in the low double digit billions from every estimation and a lower mileage but still very effective one is much cheape than that. That's not even in the rounding errors of some departments. How much did the pentagon "lose" again? I think it started with a T.

Also you're trying to say people who voted for him based to whatever extent on the wall should instead either stay at home or vote for an open borders socialist promising free health care food and housing for the entire planet instead because he broke his promise or whatever. Its like when the MSM and political clas excoriated Bush 41 for breaking his "read my lips no new taxes" pledge. After a massive pressure campaign by his political opponents and the MSM class as their megaphone, he did what they demanded, only to be destroyed by them for doing what they demanded and wanted.

I don't think that's going to work this time. Obviously a depression economy isn't good for an incumbent, although the economically illiterate FDR didn't seem to have a problem with it.

I think we should have imposed a large tax on remittences to pay for the wall as well as cut off any and all public funds and rewards for immigrating illegally. That's by far the biggest issue anyway. Best case jobs are taken at wage suppression/artificial wage levels and worst case our social services are bled dry. Its unsustainable at the scale its on and you apear to be advocating for an unlimited increase in that.

It'll be a fun season of nonstop 30 second ads at least, that's for sure.

BobZ

Maybe you caught the NY gov brief this morning.

The state with the highest numbers....yet he still had to take substantial time to lecture his state residents because they are not complying. And they are not meeting their obligation of social responsibility. And they are still perpetuating dangerously inaccurate information regarding the virus.

He cant get 20 million on the same page to get to 1st base.....meanwhile 51 million koreans have cooperated and are apparently sliding into home.

OOfff

while you’re in the dictionary making sure you used “homogenous” correctly, try looking up “tautological arguments”

Banzai

South Koreans are ready to respond in an emergency because they have lived in the shadow of the North Korean threat for a long time. Preparing to act as a society for the preservation of their very lives is part of the culture, for better or worse.

BobZ

My use was entirely correct.

Which reference should i look that up in?

The New World Dictionary of Seeing Racism and Being Offended by Words in the English Language?

OOfff

you don’t see what I’m saying, and that’s okay. Basically, you’ve argued that the Korean response was because of a homogenous population and the population is homogenous because the response was more successful than ours. It’s tautological nonsense.

BobZ

No. I see exactly what you are saying.

You insinuate racisim and bigotry into a word that simply means a shared sameness.

When confronting crisis a greater degree of common individual identification and commitment to the group can be productive in achieving a more expedited resolution.

My original point was irt a post citing the korean result in the response was somehow a basis for valid criticism of the US response.

Imho such a comparison is nonsense. Two entirely different circumstances. In scope, in physical realities and exposure risks, and in the homogeny of the population in their response.

Your demented interpretation, typical of so many of people with all the answers....was to insinuate racisim and bigotry into my comparison. A mentality where everything is literally defined down to shades between black and white.

Todays briefing by Gov Cuomo highlighted exactly my point.

Scoop

I think the GA Senator is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. A couple a million in trades on any given day for her is probably not that unusual.

Scoop

gloopy

Agreed. Not that I like it.

I do find the underlying assumption that she (plus Burr, Feinstein and others) had access to some special information they "could have shared" to be stupid. If that were true, then every senator in that meeting would be liable, regardless of stocks bought or sold. There never was some double secret information that, if only given to the masses, we could have solved this by now yet that's the wiggly worm on the hook we're all being asked to swallow.

Lou Reed

Of course you do, lemming. Slappy is such a fanatic of the actual president, that if you dare voice an opinion critical of the man, he'll get so triggered that he resorts to sending an insulting private message. Of course, he's set it up in a way that you can't reply. And they call us snowflakes!! To quote the great Roger Waters (Trumpers hate him) "Ha ha, charade you are"