Buck Rogers

Well, you will note in my hypothetical, I used terms on the opposite end of your argument. So, in you cases of pre-hypertension....PREVIOUS smoking...PRE-diabetes...I agree, Covid 19

It's the other end of the spectrum that I was curious about and addressed in my hypothetical.

GucciBoy

I haven’t seen any official sources, but I have read articles that attribute the high death numbers in Italy to the fact that any COVID-positive death was listed as COVID being the cause. This article seems to say both that the difference could account for the discrepancy and that for now the deaths are reported similarly between countries:


“Even within a country, official statistics can vary according to what you count. In the UK, for example, the Department of Health and Social Care releases daily updates on how many people who tested positive for Covid-19 died that day. This includes any patient who tested positive for Covid-19 but who might have died from another condition (for example, terminal cancer). But the UK’s Office for National Statistics counts all deaths as Covid-19 where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, regardless of whether they were tested or if it was merely a suspected case of Covid-19. Adding to the complexity of trying to understand the death rates is that the two are out of sync, since the ONS way of counting can only happen after a death certificate has been issued, so takes longer.

“The issue is not really about right or wrong, but about each source of data having its own strengths and weaknesses,” Sarah Caul, head of mortality analysis at ONS, writes in a blog post on the different ways of counting deaths.

This is not necessarily a source of discrepancy between most countries, though, as many are counting deaths in the same way. Italy counts any death of a patient who has Covid-19 as a death caused by Covid-19; so does Germany and Hong Kong.

In the US, doctors have more discretion: they are asked to record whether the patient died “as a result of this illness” when reporting Covid-19 deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It could be easy to see how a physician might believe that a Covid-19 patient who died of, say, a heart attack or brain aneurysm didn’t die as a result of Covid-19, and so wouldn’t report accordingly.

Importantly, though, while this might make a difference when the data is analysed months or years from now, this doesn’t translate into any difference in the death statistics at the moment. At present in the US, any death of a Covid-19 patient, no matter what the physician believes to be the direct cause, is counted for public reporting as a Covid-19 death.

“I expect that the final death certificate will have Covid along with pre-existing conditions, should there be any,” says Cécile Viboud, an epidemiologist at the Fogarty International Center at the National Institutes of Health. “But at this point, any Covid-positive case who dies will be tallied in the US death count.”

So what counts as a Covid-19 death will affect our overall understanding of the lethality of the disease in the long run, but it most likely isn’t playing a huge factor between countries.”


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...y-rates-differ

deltabound

Sorry if I took anything out of context in replies: Text is an unforgiving medium that does not lend itself to nuance for all but the most gifted writers. (which I ain't)

I believe the co morbidity distinction will be useful 10 years from now when examining the data and how the pandemic was handled. However, I think it's almost useless now when it comes to stemming the panic all the deaths attributed to "COVID-19".

It certainly doesn't help us as an airline.

I do find it mildly amusing that FA's are very close to having to "weigh in" before working a shift.

(Speaking for myself, I'm hoping that won't extend to the pilots anytime soon )

Buck Rogers

its come full circle baby. When I was a new hire they still did weight checks for FA's. That was later deemed to be discriminatory. I say throw all pilots and FA's in the pool and if they can't pull themselves into the raft....9 months to retrain, then poof....adios


Over staffing problem solved

Abouttime2fish

Need someone to feed to the sharks/use as bait....

m3113n1a1

I think that might lead to a staffing shortage

Han Solo

I’ve seen the pictures from Italy, it looks like the cause of death in most of these cases is either black or gray hair.

FL370esq

Is that a natural black or an OD of Grecian formula?