Snap-up maybe. Snap-back is still a concession. 4% annual raises in perpetuity during sect. 6 after we become profitable again.

“Snap back” or even “snap up” is a buzzword for “we give now and you pay us back later.”
I wasn’t around for bankruptcy before, but I have zero confidence that we will be paid back anything later, based on history and current rhetoric.
All payment now. No IOUs. Want ALV relief? Give us our entire section 23 ask right now. Since we’re over staffed, at this moment our ask is unlikely to cost any more right now.

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I get that Delta, and my own house, has expenses other than payroll (kids allowance for me), but while I have not read the actual governement bill, every article and press brief speaks as if the money is specifically earmarked for payroll. Hell even Ed said so in his memo;

"The agreement includes $25 billion in direct financial assistance for airline employee salary and benefits.....The payroll assistance funds ensure there will be no involuntary furloughs or reductions in pay rates through Sept. 30, 2020.

So I don't see how they can look at it as a one time cash infusion to pay the bills now when it seems the intent is to pay the payroll bills over the next six months.

Well, I was around for that. We the pilots learned a lesson..."full pay till the last day"

I'm thinking management learned something too. If you are not culpable(world wide pandemic whoda thunk) go into banktuptcy... abrogate all the contracts(PILOTS) ....within 1p years like a Phoenix rising....historic profit for company, management a d new shareholders......15 years for pilots to get back to the starting line


Yep.....both sides learn something....pilots aren't the only ones! Let's hope this doesnt go too far down hill.... .the outcome may be different than expectations

Thanks!
I was waiting for someone with a glass half-full perspective to chime in!

Be careful not to fight the last war, it wouldn't surprise me to see DAL think about an alter ego airline, don't say it can't happen, this is a brand new game. After November anything can happen. MOGRCAT.

SIL’s and an early retirement program, according to Negotiator Notepad 20-03, is worth nearly as much as 20% less ALV for 2 months. So we have offered to help the company short term - and to date they have refused our offer.

From NN 20-03

“ALPA has offered (and the Company summarily refused) additional cash savings via SILs, PSILs, and Military Leave relief that are mutually beneficial to both parties.

The refusal of any cash savings during these critical times calls into question the Company's true need for relief. Until the Company is willing to explore the same voluntary solutions commonplace at an ever increasing number of airlines, it is difficult to see a path forward that Delta pilots would endorse.”

It is the company not being prudent.

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Denny

The company's intransigent approach to the problem is strange. What's their strategy? Either it's built on some timeline or a negotiation tactic. Our union probably knows. Looking to crack us, probably reading forums like this. Battle of the Bulge. My response would be Nuts.