gloopy

I think you think you're countering my argument but we're saying the same thing about this and you're too blinded by your fixed predisposition to even realize it. This is, however, what I'm referring to WRT the fake binary dichotomy the faithful adherents of both extremes like to lure everyone into. Perhaps you read any counterpoint to the silver bullet vax side of things as "anti vaxer" and then dismiss it out of a sense of intellectual superiority. That's clearly not what I was saying, and I'm not even sure what you get out of even trying to frame the debate like that.

A vax is not going to be the silver bullet to this crisis for quite some time, if ever, and by then its role in the industry's recovery will very much be a tertiary issue. It may (and more likely than not) will help a bit, eventually. We (the nation collectively) will have to get back to work well prior to that though, or there won't be anything for us to come back to. Well not exactly; there will always be rich people who like to play with airplanes and an endless supply of pump and dump start ups, every once in a while a few of which will go on to become well established. So there's that.

Maybe I triggered you by being critical of the flu vax. If you don't like the actual efficacy of it and what, the CDC, the NIH and the vaccine manufacturer's own labels say about its effectiveness as well as side effects and downline susceptibility to other things, then believe whatever you want. Not exactly very hashtag science of you though.

But keep on chasing those waterfalls.

Scoop

My bad, I thought the company asked for and received an April rebid. Maybe I dreamed it. And as far as a "definite timeline to Snap back" - you mean if the company does not go back on their word after they enjoy months of a reduced ALV I assume? After all "things might change."

Scoop

newKnow

So, we go through all the trouble to lobby for our share of money from the stimulus package and then we don't take it?

There's even a story about it on Deltanet. "Thank Congress for Protecting U.S. Airline Jobs," with a link to "... an easy way to thank your Representatives and Senators for their support for airline industry employees nationwide."

That makes no sense.

And if they pass on the money as a way to enrich themselves, and/or layoff employees, I could see it becoming a PR nightmare.

Just because it makes sense on paper doesn't mean it makes sense.

sailingfun

I think you are confusing grants with loans. It was a two part package. We are aggressively going after the grants.

newKnow

Oh. Ok. I must be confusing the two. Please, explain it to me.

53x11

One thing that bothers me is lobbying so hard for the grants and getting them, while encouraging so many to take the PLOA’s and telling the employees they will help with the state unemployment paperwork. I understand from a business aspect ($) why but I think it’s pretty sorry to lobby the federal government for financial help then dumping some of your financial burdens on the states. My opinion is that was a calculated move on the company’s part.

edits to correct stupid autocorrect! Lol

Gunfighter

Ed is spinning a narrative that the pilots should make concessions to save the company. Has he forgotten that he carved our answer in stone over a decade ago? We have already helped far more than necessary with the April rebid. The company response did nothing more than confirm what our answer will be. Any concessions you make now will be used against you in a court of bankruptcy.

WhiskeyDelta

Everybody needs a little TLC!

Banzai

That’s not what was said on the townhall today.

DALFA

It is clear that management is instituting the divide and conquer playbook. Part of that playbook is to turn all the other employee groups against the pilots to in order to add pressure and help management achieve their goal.

Unless you guys (and gals) and ALPA get ahead of the curve you'll have all the sheeple at this company against you.