Townhall-April 1st Takeaways
04-03-2020, 09:24 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
These are extraordinary times that require more than "business as usual" tactics. I find your statement, "I couldn't believe the MEC allowed the company to re-work April." completely tone deaf and tells me you don't appreciate how dire things are now. I firmly believe we will probably get thru this, but helping the company in the near term is just smart business, I agree, we can not keep Delta out of BK and and we shouldn't agree to permanent concessions now, but short term, "snapback" gives seem to be a prudent move.
04-03-2020, 09:30 AM
#142
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“Snap back” or even “snap up” is a buzzword for “we give now and you pay us back later.”
I wasn’t around for bankruptcy before, but I have zero confidence that we will be paid back anything later, based on history and current rhetoric.
All payment now. No IOUs. Want ALV relief? Give us our entire section 23 ask right now. Since we’re over staffed, at this moment our ask is unlikely to cost any more right now.
I wasn’t around for bankruptcy before, but I have zero confidence that we will be paid back anything later, based on history and current rhetoric.
All payment now. No IOUs. Want ALV relief? Give us our entire section 23 ask right now. Since we’re over staffed, at this moment our ask is unlikely to cost any more right now.
04-03-2020, 09:32 AM
#143
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
These are extraordinary times that require more than "business as usual" tactics. I find your statement, "I couldn't believe the MEC allowed the company to re-work April." completely tone deaf and tells me you don't appreciate how dire things are now. I firmly believe we will probably get thru this, but helping the company in the near term is just smart business, I agree, we can not keep Delta out of BK and and we shouldn't agree to permanent concessions now, but short term, "snapback" gives seem to be a prudent move.
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04-03-2020, 09:40 AM
#144
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
That is correct. Delta has expenses other than payroll. Congress made the grants in the amount of 6 months of payroll (it looks good politically), but that money goes into Delta’s general fund to pay for everything. If Delta doesn’t reduce payroll expenses, it will go out of business.
Imagine if you got laid off, had no other income, and the government gave you a grant for 6 months worth of making your mortgage payment. Would you just make your mortgage payment, or would you need to use it for food, utilities, and other expenses that you cannot cut?
Imagine if you got laid off, had no other income, and the government gave you a grant for 6 months worth of making your mortgage payment. Would you just make your mortgage payment, or would you need to use it for food, utilities, and other expenses that you cannot cut?
"The agreement includes $25 billion in direct financial assistance for airline employee salary and benefits.....The payroll assistance funds ensure there will be no involuntary furloughs or reductions in pay rates through Sept. 30, 2020.
So I don't see how they can look at it as a one time cash infusion to pay the bills now when it seems the intent is to pay the payroll bills over the next six months.
04-03-2020, 09:41 AM
#145
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Originally Posted by Banzai
“Snap back” or even “snap up” is a buzzword for “we give now and you pay us back later.”
I wasn’t around for bankruptcy before, but I have zero confidence that we will be paid back anything later, based on history and current rhetoric.
All payment now. No IOUs. Want ALV relief? Give us our entire section 23 ask right now. Since we’re over staffed, at this moment our ask is unlikely to cost any more right now.
I wasn’t around for bankruptcy before, but I have zero confidence that we will be paid back anything later, based on history and current rhetoric.
All payment now. No IOUs. Want ALV relief? Give us our entire section 23 ask right now. Since we’re over staffed, at this moment our ask is unlikely to cost any more right now.
I'm thinking management learned something too. If you are not culpable(world wide pandemic whoda thunk) go into banktuptcy... abrogate all the contracts(PILOTS) ....within 1p years like a Phoenix rising....historic profit for company, management a d new shareholders......15 years for pilots to get back to the starting line
Yep.....both sides learn something....pilots aren't the only ones! Let's hope this doesnt go too far down hill.... .the outcome may be different than expectations
04-03-2020, 09:58 AM
#146
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Well, I was around for that. We the pilots learned a lesson..."full pay till the last day"
I'm thinking management learned something too. If you are not culpable(world wide pandemic whoda thunk) go into banktuptcy... abrogate all the contracts(PILOTS) ....within 1p years like a Phoenix rising....historic profit for company, management a d new shareholders......15 years for pilots to get back to the starting line
Yep.....both sides learn something....pilots aren't the only ones! Let's hope this doesnt go too far down hill.... .the outcome may be different than expectations
I'm thinking management learned something too. If you are not culpable(world wide pandemic whoda thunk) go into banktuptcy... abrogate all the contracts(PILOTS) ....within 1p years like a Phoenix rising....historic profit for company, management a d new shareholders......15 years for pilots to get back to the starting line
Yep.....both sides learn something....pilots aren't the only ones! Let's hope this doesnt go too far down hill.... .the outcome may be different than expectations
I was waiting for someone with a glass half-full perspective to chime in!
04-03-2020, 10:22 AM
#147
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Be careful not to fight the last war, it wouldn't surprise me to see DAL think about an alter ego airline, don't say it can't happen, this is a brand new game. After November anything can happen. MOGRCAT.
04-03-2020, 02:39 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
These are extraordinary times that require more than "business as usual" tactics. I find your statement, "I couldn't believe the MEC allowed the company to re-work April." completely tone deaf and tells me you don't appreciate how dire things are now. I firmly believe we will probably get thru this, but helping the company in the near term is just smart business, I agree, we can not keep Delta out of BK and and we shouldn't agree to permanent concessions now, but short term, "snapback" gives seem to be a prudent move.
From NN 20-03
“ALPA has offered (and the Company summarily refused) additional cash savings via SILs, PSILs, and Military Leave relief that are mutually beneficial to both parties.
The refusal of any cash savings during these critical times calls into question the Company's true need for relief. Until the Company is willing to explore the same voluntary solutions commonplace at an ever increasing number of airlines, it is difficult to see a path forward that Delta pilots would endorse.”
It is the company not being prudent.
04-03-2020, 02:46 PM
#149
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
SIL’s and an early retirement program, according to Negotiator Notepad 20-03, is worth nearly as much as 20% less ALV for 2 months. So we have offered to help the company short term - and to date they have refused our offer.
From NN 20-03
“ALPA has offered (and the Company summarily refused) additional cash savings via SILs, PSILs, and Military Leave relief that are mutually beneficial to both parties.
The refusal of any cash savings during these critical times calls into question the Company's true need for relief. Until the Company is willing to explore the same voluntary solutions commonplace at an ever increasing number of airlines, it is difficult to see a path forward that Delta pilots would endorse.”
It is the company not being prudent.
From NN 20-03
“ALPA has offered (and the Company summarily refused) additional cash savings via SILs, PSILs, and Military Leave relief that are mutually beneficial to both parties.
The refusal of any cash savings during these critical times calls into question the Company's true need for relief. Until the Company is willing to explore the same voluntary solutions commonplace at an ever increasing number of airlines, it is difficult to see a path forward that Delta pilots would endorse.”
It is the company not being prudent.
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04-03-2020, 02:58 PM
#150
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The company's intransigent approach to the problem is strange. What's their strategy? Either it's built on some timeline or a negotiation tactic. Our union probably knows. Looking to crack us, probably reading forums like this. Battle of the Bulge. My response would be Nuts.
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