ERflyer

So in other words: You were never furloughed. And everyone else is an idiot.

Buck Rogers

Just to play devils advocate,

"Survive" and "managed his financial affairs poorly", are not germane to the discussion IMO. What you are doing is asking....capitalism or socialism?

If ALV reduction is important as a mitigating factor, it should have been written into the PWA after the very first furlough 20ish years ago. Things stop being "black swans" the third time around.

And I am not saying I am against reducing the ALV.....but it has nothing to do with your justifications. You are trying to buttress your emotional thoughts with weak quantifiers regarding somebody else's life. The question boils down to an emotional one...."Am I my brothers keeper"?

sailingfun

I have never been furloughed but I have advocated for the furloughed pilots every time we have had one. I tried to get the pilots in 2002 to forgo a 4% raise and pay each furloughed pilot 3000 a month. I put my carrier on the line after the 91 furloughs writing letters and signing them in protest of the companies actions. What have I learned from all that? Some of our pilots are incredibly generous. Most are just cheap and self serving. I posted on here about a 5% assessment to assist furloughed pilots this time if it happens. Go back and read the comments. We can and should do far more for furloughed pilots than we have in the past. It’s a sad reflection on us.

Drum

You've had amazing fortune in this business to survive 30+ years without being furloughed. If I was in that position I would have my financial house in order as well. Unfortunately many of us have not been as fortunate - it's life. We get it. Having scraped thru odd jobs of low pay, crap working conditions thru the lost decade I was able to get hired at a regional in 2014, a year and a half later I was hired at DAL. I'm 54, a late starter at DAL. I will be furloughed. I may not come back to the seat of a jet until 2024ish. When I do, it will be at the bottom of the list - again. I won't be able to make that lost time up ($$). Just one mans case.

What I don't want is to come back to a concessionary contract negotiated for "my" benefit under the guise of preventing my furlough. NO, don't do that. I want to come back to a job with an even stronger contract than I left. Please, don't sell us out.

ERflyer

Furloughed pilots will get COBRA paid for by us. I’d even be for the 5% assessment to help them out. I do agree some of us are cheap and selfish as is part of the human condition - for some people. Most people are generous and empathetic however.

What I do not agree with is playing into the company’s hands as they take hostages (threaten to furlough) by pushing to go along with their 25% ALV reduction plan to align us with the other employee groups. It is an attempt to divide us and is a tactic to prevent the non-contract employees from organizing.

This is the company’s go to plan because the CARES act prevents them from cutting pay rates for other employees. But they can cut their hours and want us to do the same so as not to upset the other employees. SILs were also canceled to align us with the other employee groups. After we gave them $50M to rerun the April bid.

Buck Rogers

UAl has an open ballot right now for a 1% assessment for cobra if furloughs happen

I think it should be a voucher which would level the field in case somebody has a working spouse(benefits) or tricare or want to use Obamacare

BobZ

what? The 3rd wife is screaming Baby diapers, daycare, and tanning beds arent chesp ya know.

Turbo1

as usual, Bob nails it once again. Why should I settle for anything less?

badflaps

Cosmo surgery gotta be in there somewhere.($2500 each)

TANSTAAFL

Completely twisting context - I was specifically answering your question of why not use FM to lower ALV now.

Are you a CPO, RD, on the MIP, or play golf with or go to EB birthday parties?