5/20 Town Hall w/ Ed and Glen, 1300 EDT
05-22-2020, 02:56 AM
#102
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Still in one
Posts: 784
Originally Posted by weekendflyer
Trumps the one guy backing airlines, give credit where it’s due.
i will say if there were guaranteed no displacements I’d be game, but there is no discussion of that and some pilots would see much larger pay hits than others.
05-22-2020, 03:41 AM
#103
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,275
Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
FM, or “circumstances beyond the companies control” has very specific application in the PWA. Use outside of the PWA would likely be a CARES act violation as well as RLA dispute.
05-22-2020, 04:11 AM
#104
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A330 First Officer
Posts: 1,465
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Exactly! If we wrote a LOA with furlough restriction without a FM clause it would not apply. If the company did violate it the LOA would no longer be in effect regardless. Just say what you really mean. “I am not willing to take a 20% pay cut to avoid others taking a 100% cut”.
05-22-2020, 05:05 AM
#105
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: NYC ER
Posts: 472
Originally Posted by 1Taco
If ALPA agreed to lower ALV, what would keep them from still furloughing?
History shows us we think we are helping the company but in reality end we up being furloughed with even less money.
This is the first bite of the apple..
we are “partners” or “leaders”.
Play up Pilot egos then come take more money.
What’s next? Order new jets if only we give some relief?
same broken record for 20+ years
05-22-2020, 05:30 AM
#107
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: MD88
Posts: 1,357
I’m still on the full pay to the last day boat. Especially when “full pay” is going to be significantly less after this MOAD. For full transparency, I think I’m ok furlough wise, but while I might not be the B plug somewhere, I sure will share a lot of RES holidays with him!
05-22-2020, 05:45 AM
#108
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,275
Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Not to sound like the bad guy, because I have a good amount of time left to try and recoup if we decide to take a 20% paycut, but I have a good many friends here that went through a pretty significant amount of time on furlough during the beginning of their career and as a bonus miss out on the best in industry C2K rates in the process then come back to a BK and the associated fun stuff that goes along with it. So now they are in their last 2-3 years of their career and you want them to take one for the team on the way out also? Tell me, because I know your approx seniority, did you go through the same? I don't want anyone to take a pay cut but I also don't want to be digging out of a hole for the next 15 years again.
