Early Out,Retirement,Furlough Negotiation
#1441
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You should be on your knees praying that you have those freedoms that you so like to continuously make fun of.
Finally, the numbers are being pulled from the CDC. It's going to Dr Carson's agency - where it belongs. Venture to say this will be the long dwindling end to the fear mongering.
Again, this so called lethal disease that you have to be tested to know you've had it. Seem funny to you?
Asymptomatic people. What better way to control the populace than to make literally everyone 'sick'.
It has been proven to be less lethal than the flu.
Suffer the consequences of your actions, because it has decimated the travel and leisure industry for no good reason. You cheerlead that destruction. Sick.
At the outset Faux-chi said over 2 million in the US would die. Wrong
At the outset he said over 100 million in the US would be infected - wrong.
At the outset he said we would run out of hospital space - wrong.
At the outset he said 15 days to flatten the curve, 30 days to control the spread. Wrong. We are over 120 days into it, and look where we are at. Goal posts moving all over the field. Its like they have ADD or something.
At the outset he said that there is no known cure - wrong. He endorsed HCQ back in 2005 for corona viruses, yet suddenly backpedaled this time around. HCQ has been now peer reviewed and PROVEN to not only cure, but prevent.
At the outset he said we would never have enough ventilators to support the amount of infected persons - wrong.
Faux-chi has been wrong on everything about this bug. Yet you jump on the band wagon supporting the shutdowns of economies and absolute ruination of entire blocks of industries around the globe. And you're happy with that. All to willing to rain thunder down on anyone who disagrees with the mask save lives don't kill my grandma crowd.
The largest mass murderer in the 21st century, Andrew Cuomo, is walking around a free man. You know him he;s the guy that ordered china virus infected patients into the most vulnerable of our population. Like he didn't know how that would turn out. He is touted for his "brilliance" in handling the outbreak in his state. Yet his state had the highest death count per capita of not only the US, but the world. Yet you ignorantly and smugly profess mask wear is the solution - which it is scientifically proven not to be.
It's people with your attitude that will mire us down from extracting us out of this situation. A vaccine is not going to change the dynamic. Especially when it is proven not to work against 99.5% of corona viruses. Moderna et al. are pimping a flu shot, nothing more.
Positive for the bug is not a death sentence for 99.9% of those that are infected. I like those odds. What's your problem?
Finally, the numbers are being pulled from the CDC. It's going to Dr Carson's agency - where it belongs. Venture to say this will be the long dwindling end to the fear mongering.
Again, this so called lethal disease that you have to be tested to know you've had it. Seem funny to you?
Asymptomatic people. What better way to control the populace than to make literally everyone 'sick'.
It has been proven to be less lethal than the flu.
Suffer the consequences of your actions, because it has decimated the travel and leisure industry for no good reason. You cheerlead that destruction. Sick.
At the outset Faux-chi said over 2 million in the US would die. Wrong
At the outset he said over 100 million in the US would be infected - wrong.
At the outset he said we would run out of hospital space - wrong.
At the outset he said 15 days to flatten the curve, 30 days to control the spread. Wrong. We are over 120 days into it, and look where we are at. Goal posts moving all over the field. Its like they have ADD or something.
At the outset he said that there is no known cure - wrong. He endorsed HCQ back in 2005 for corona viruses, yet suddenly backpedaled this time around. HCQ has been now peer reviewed and PROVEN to not only cure, but prevent.
At the outset he said we would never have enough ventilators to support the amount of infected persons - wrong.
Faux-chi has been wrong on everything about this bug. Yet you jump on the band wagon supporting the shutdowns of economies and absolute ruination of entire blocks of industries around the globe. And you're happy with that. All to willing to rain thunder down on anyone who disagrees with the mask save lives don't kill my grandma crowd.
The largest mass murderer in the 21st century, Andrew Cuomo, is walking around a free man. You know him he;s the guy that ordered china virus infected patients into the most vulnerable of our population. Like he didn't know how that would turn out. He is touted for his "brilliance" in handling the outbreak in his state. Yet his state had the highest death count per capita of not only the US, but the world. Yet you ignorantly and smugly profess mask wear is the solution - which it is scientifically proven not to be.
It's people with your attitude that will mire us down from extracting us out of this situation. A vaccine is not going to change the dynamic. Especially when it is proven not to work against 99.5% of corona viruses. Moderna et al. are pimping a flu shot, nothing more.
Positive for the bug is not a death sentence for 99.9% of those that are infected. I like those odds. What's your problem?
i like science fiction writers myself...
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#1442
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Sounds like something that might have happened 14 years ago.
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the goal posts move as we learn more about Covid. It’s a bit scary to see how someone in a technical job can so quickly throw away science and want to follow talking points of politicians. Inaccurate ones at that.
i like science fiction writers myself...
https://www.quora.com/What-happens-i...b5f&srid=hfISX
i like science fiction writers myself...
https://www.quora.com/What-happens-i...b5f&srid=hfISX
Does science only matter when adhering to your docs opinion? If that is the case, then no one would never need a second opinion I guess.
And by the way “I believe in science” is now a political talking point.
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You don’t say. I’ve done the bankruptcy game, I know how it works. I appreciate your perspective, I know you suffer from events 14 years ago. I don’t see a bankruptcy anytime soon with the cash flow and expenses they’re reporting right now, though. If we get to bankruptcy having mowed through 15b and are continuing to lose cash, the contract is gone and so is the company.
My point is, the argument to not change the PWA with any LOAs because of the potential for bankruptcy is ridiculous. We keep hearing how we shouldn’t change anything because it’ll just be thrown out in bankruptcy court, yet somehow the existing PWA is safe from this same court room shredding machine. But, it’s a new low starting point! Is it? We haven’t seen what they are even negotiating.
My point is, the argument to not change the PWA with any LOAs because of the potential for bankruptcy is ridiculous. We keep hearing how we shouldn’t change anything because it’ll just be thrown out in bankruptcy court, yet somehow the existing PWA is safe from this same court room shredding machine. But, it’s a new low starting point! Is it? We haven’t seen what they are even negotiating.
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You don’t say. I’ve done the bankruptcy game, I know how it works. I appreciate your perspective, I know you suffer from events 14 years ago. I don’t see a bankruptcy anytime soon with the cash flow and expenses they’re reporting right now, though. If we get to bankruptcy having mowed through 15b and are continuing to lose cash, the contract is gone and so is the company.
My point is, the argument to not change the PWA with any LOAs because of the potential for bankruptcy is ridiculous. We keep hearing how we shouldn’t change anything because it’ll just be thrown out in bankruptcy court, yet somehow the existing PWA is safe from this same court room shredding machine. But, it’s a new low starting point! Is it? We haven’t seen what they are even negotiating.
My point is, the argument to not change the PWA with any LOAs because of the potential for bankruptcy is ridiculous. We keep hearing how we shouldn’t change anything because it’ll just be thrown out in bankruptcy court, yet somehow the existing PWA is safe from this same court room shredding machine. But, it’s a new low starting point! Is it? We haven’t seen what they are even negotiating.
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Ed says we can get to break even at 60% and that we still have our premium over the other domestic airlines. I think this will work just fine for us until confidence is restored. He said it’s not sustainable and there’s no illusion that it will continue indefinitely. It does build brand loyalty and require more pilots so I all for it until we get every airplane we have with the new fleet plan back in the sky. Have you been on DH in C+ lately? It’s great. I’m sure when people start traveling for business we will be the preferred airline. The problem is people have no reason to fly anywhere. No conferences, industry showcases, sports, shows, urban tourism etc. When the rest of travel returns people will book on Delta.
I'd like to see the actual application of when we add another flight. If a flight is consistently at 60% due to our artificial cap, but the market would support 75% I doubt we add another flight for a net 15% LF on it. So while we may add some flights, the vast majority of the time I bet we simply turn pax away or worse...we pay them money. That's cool with a 105% LF making money hand over fist but that's not where we are.
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LOAs during section 6 is not a good idea IMHO but if we do it, there has to be sweeteners and a snap back to get past MEMRAT. Everyone wants different sweeteners so I don't think it passes but the deal will not only have to sell itself but not harm our section 6 position.
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We do not have a 60% BELF. We can generate cash at 60% load factor, but people (employees, leaders, and news media) get a little sloppy with words trying to explain things and it leads to a lot of confusion.
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